I think everything about Oracle has been said, everything is in the table to show how really bad Oracle is at security, but only few people seems to get the message, I wonder if at least goverments are paying attention since national infraestructure systems are running with Oracle, what else we can do to have this sad company to start taking security seriously? So if people at .gov is hearing you should be worry about national security and start acting on Oracle, I guess .gov don't want their data easily compromised. Cesar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com