On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, bkfsec wrote: > > The local BBB is accountable to local laws. CAs are spread throughout the > > world and are global in nature. As a member of a local community, I can > > choose to familiarize myself with those regulations, understand them, and use > > them against the BBB if they violate their trust. I can also choose to go on > > a crusade against the local BBB. > > > > I think that deep down we're agreeing on the point that they're inherently > > untrustworthy. My point in saying "if you take my meaning" was to hi-light > > that rather than focus on this relatively minor nitpicking of point. I'm not > > the first one in this thread to bring up the BBB. So take your point up with > > the person who did bring it up, please. > > Actually I'm just trying to be explicitly clear about the path that > you're using for trust. The BBB just happens to be the example that > you'd used as an organization that you'd trust more than your average CA. > > As I'm reading you, you're saying that you: > > (1) trust establishments that you can see and touch more > than you trust establishments that you can't see or touch. > > (2) trust establishments that are bound by a legal system that > you're familiar with more than establishments that are bound > by a legal system that you aren't familiar with. > > IMHO the question is more about what your particular grounds for trust > happen to be than whether CAs are all/partially/not trustworthy - or > if the BBB in your area happens to be trustworthy. > > Personally I'd really debate the concept that physical proximity is > in any respect grounds for trust - and that familiarity implies the same. > > I'd be far more inclined to suggest using consistent long term behaviour > as a predictor - and implementing a system where significant incentives > towards desired behaviour exist. > But do not "physical proximity" and "familiarity" not also imply that a lengthy relationship is probable which would enable behavioural observations of said length to determine it's consistency? Somewhat like the concept that a person gets better service from a smaller mom&pop shop then they do in a superstore? Thanks, Ron DuFresne -- "Sometimes you get the blues because your baby leaves you. Sometimes you get'em 'cause she comes back." --B.B. King ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.