For the past month or two we have been seeing more and more off-topic message on the TH-Research (Trojan Horses Research) mailing list. We decided to start a new mailing list to take off the "pressure". The new mailing list is called appsec-research, and it will deal with issues such as vulnerability research through packers and win32 binaries to code injection. Same rules, same issues: we are here to help people (and the rest of the world when we can) while staying on the _good_ "side of the fence".. but we do not allow anyone on the list before a background check. I personally believe in the concept of full disclosure, but I realize now that when it comes to security it's no longer practical for the very simple reason that we are out-numbered 100,000 to one. I am not trying to start a debate about that, it is simply how I personally see things and how we are going to run our new list. So, the new list will be all about how to protect and break software, whether it's a vulnerability or a packer.. I considered calling the list IDA-geeks, but oh well. If you want to join send me an email message to ge@warp.mx.dk. I wanted to discuss sending this message here with the moderator and getting his permission, but I figured this is a moderated list, so if he doesn't approve of it the email message simply won't get through. Gadi Evron.