Art, You are correct, I should not have replied to Mark when I had not yet had my morning coffee. The dynamic rendering of OBJECT elements still trigger the HTA functionality exposed in Windows. Personally, though, I see this as an unrelated vulnerability regarding static/dynamic code rendering which has a greater impact than just allowing HTA code to execute. Both GM#001 and thePulls POC, which malware cites, are one and the same issue instead of two separate, they both trigger the dynamic rendering of HTML instead of the static - GM#001 just does this without requiring scripting. Regards Thor Larholm PivX Solutions, LLC - Senior Security Researcher http://www.pivx.com/larholm/unpatched - Unpatched IE vulnerabilities -----Original Message----- From: CERT(R) Coordination Center [mailto:cert@cert.org] Sent: Wed 9/24/2003 11:35 AM To: Thor Larholm Cc: CERT(R) Coordination Center; Mark Coleman; bugtraq@securityfocus.org Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: AIM Password theft] VU#865940 At the present, the patch for MS03-032 breaks one of at least three exploit techniques. The patch does not resolve the vulnerability. MS03-032 acknowledges this. I have seen several examples of this vulnerability being exploited in the wild. In particular, the current MS03-32 patch doesn't account for an HTML document created via XML/data binding: <http://greymagic.com/adv/gm001-ie/> The patch also does not account for an HTML document created via script: <http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/336616> Art Manion -- CERT Coordination Center