I worked for an ISP that did not store passwords in the clear so we had to do all kinds of verification then all we could do is reset the password. All we had exposed to us in the clear was the last two characters (we didn't even know how long the password was). This is a fairly big nationwide ISP that in my opinion as a person in computer security helped to do it right on the sides of their clients. Thanks, Nate -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Schmehl, Paul L Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:00 PM To: Florian Rock; bugtraq@securityfocus.com; full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com; vuln@secunia.com Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] SMC Router safe Login in plaintext Every ISP I've ever dealt with stores your password in plaintext. If this were not true, they would not be able to tell you what it is. Just call support, identify yourself and ask them to change your password for you. The risk is that someone else could use your account to access the Internet. Apparently that's a risk the ISPs are willing to take. So exposing your ISP password in plaintext on your own computer is really no more of a risk than you are already exposed to. That's why I use "throwaway" passwords for ISP access. They're worthless anyway. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ -----Original Message----- From: Florian Rock [mailto:florianrock@web.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:15 AM To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com; full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com; vuln@secunia.com Subject: [Full-Disclosure] SMC Router safe Login in plaintext I found that the SMC Barricade SMC-7404BRB safe the Login for the Provider safe in plaintext!!! _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
