I think this article (posted on the Nanog list) should be the final nail in the coffin on "defensive worms". http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0819navy.html Reportedly 3/4s of the Navy Marines Corps Internet was unusable because of the "beneficial" Welchia (patching RPC) worm. Network operations is at least partially outsourced to EDS, but the article doesn't state who is responsible for administering the machines. -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@cs.berkeley.edu