Just something I've noticed on IE 4 & 5.5 If you enter a password that contains a mix of non-alphabetic and alphabetic characters to an MS IE password input and then use the keyboard to select it while holding down tab the cursor / selected region jumps between the non-alphabetic characters in exactly the same manner as it does when you apply the same technique in word, Interdev, vb etc. It doesn't reveal the password, but it would seem to reveal at least some of the structure. Eg 1 2 3 4 5 Jon Embury Developer, F1 Solutions www.f1solutions.com.au