On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 11:39:19AM +0200, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 04:19:47PM -0700, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:03 PM Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 2:48 PM Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Em Thu, May 04, 2023 at 04:07:29PM -0300, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo escreveu:
> > > > > > Em Thu, May 04, 2023 at 11:50:07AM -0700, Andrii Nakryiko escreveu:
> > > > > > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 10:52 AM Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrii, can you add some more information about the usage of vmlinux.h
> > > > > > > > instead of using kernel headers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll just say that vmlinux.h is not a hard requirement to build BPF
> > > > > > > programs, it's more a convenience allowing easy access to definitions
> > > > > > > of both UAPI and kernel-internal structures for tracing needs and
> > > > > > > marking them relocatable using BPF CO-RE machinery. Lots of real-world
> > > > > > > applications just check-in pregenerated vmlinux.h to avoid build-time
> > > > > > > dependency on up-to-date host kernel and such.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If vmlinux.h generation and usage is causing issues, though, given
> > > > > > > that perf's BPF programs don't seem to be using many different kernel
> > > > > > > types, it might be a better option to just use UAPI headers for public
> > > > > > > kernel type definitions, and just define CO-RE-relocatable minimal
> > > > > > > definitions locally in perf's BPF code for the other types necessary.
> > > > > > > E.g., if perf needs only pid and tgid from task_struct, this would
> > > > > > > suffice:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > struct task_struct {
> > > > > > > int pid;
> > > > > > > int tgid;
> > > > > > > } __attribute__((preserve_access_index));
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, that seems like a way better approach, no vmlinux involved, libbpf
> > > > > > CO-RE notices that task_struct changed from this two integers version
> > > > > > (of course) and does the relocation to where it is in the running kernel
> > > > > > by using /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doing it for one of the skels, build tested, runtime untested, but not
> > > > > using any vmlinux, BTF to help, not that bad, more verbose, but at least
> > > > > we state what are the fields we actually use, have those attribute
> > > > > documenting that those offsets will be recorded for future use, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Namhyung, can you please check that this works?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > - Arnaldo
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/tools/perf/util/bpf_skel/bperf_cgroup.bpf.c b/tools/perf/util/bpf_skel/bperf_cgroup.bpf.c
> > > > > index 6a438e0102c5a2cb..f376d162549ebd74 100644
> > > > > --- a/tools/perf/util/bpf_skel/bperf_cgroup.bpf.c
> > > > > +++ b/tools/perf/util/bpf_skel/bperf_cgroup.bpf.c
> > > > > @@ -1,11 +1,40 @@
> > > > > // SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0-only OR BSD-2-Clause)
> > > > > // Copyright (c) 2021 Facebook
> > > > > // Copyright (c) 2021 Google
> > > > > -#include "vmlinux.h"
> > > > > +#include <linux/types.h>
> > > > > +#include <linux/bpf.h>
> > > >
> > > > Compared to vmlinux.h here be dragons. It is easy to start dragging in
> > > > all of libc and that may not work due to missing #ifdefs, etc.. Could
> > > > we check in a vmlinux.h like libbpf-tools does?
> > > > https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/tree/master/libbpf-tools#vmlinuxh-generation
> > > > https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/tree/master/libbpf-tools/arm64
> > > >
> > > > This would also remove some of the errors that could be introduced by
> > > > copy+pasting enums, etc. and also highlight issues with things being
> > > > renamed as build time rather than runtime failures.
> > >
> > > we already have to deal with that, right? doing checks on fields in
> > > structs like mm_struct___old
> >
> > We do, but the way I detected the problems in the first place was by
> > building against older kernels. Now the build will always succeed but
> > fail at runtime.
> >
> > > > Could this be some shared resource for the different linux tools
> > > > projects using a vmlinux.h? e.g. tools/lib/vmlinuxh with an
> > > > install_headers target that builds a vmlinux.h.
> > >
> > > I tried to do the minimal header and it's not too big,
> > > I pushed it in here:
> > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jolsa/perf.git/log/?h=perf/vmlinux_h
> > >
> > > compile tested so far
> > >
> > > jirka
> >
> > Cool, could we just call it vmlinux.h rather than perf-defs.h?
>
> right, it also makes the change smaller
>
> >
> > I notice cgroup_subsys_id is in there which is called out in Andrii's
> > CO-RE guide/blog:
> > https://nakryiko.com/posts/bpf-core-reference-guide/#relocatable-enums
> > perhaps we can do something with names/types to make sure a helper is
> > being used for these enum values.
both bperf_cgroup and off_cpu programs use bpf_core_enum_value, so we should be fine
jirka
