Re: [QUESTION] usage of libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type API

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On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:34 AM andrea terzolo <andreaterzolo3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Il giorno mer 5 apr 2023 alle ore 00:32 Andrii Nakryiko
> <andrii.nakryiko@xxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:21 AM andrea terzolo
> > <andreaterzolo3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > If I can I would like to ask one question about the
> > > `libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type` API. The idea is to use `fentry/fexit`
> > > bpf progs only if they are available and fall back to simple `kprobes`
> > > when they are not. Is there a way to probe `BPF_TRACE_FENTRY` support
> > > with `libbpf` APIs? I was looking at `libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type` API
> > > but it seems to check the `prog_type` rather than the `attach_type`,
> > > when I call it `libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type(BPF_PROG_TYPE_TRACING,
> > > NULL);` it returns `1` even if `fentry/fexit` progs are not supported
> > > on my machine. Is there a way to probe this feature with other
> > > `libbpf` APIs?
> > >
> >
> > looking at libbpf probing code, for BPF_PROG_TYPE_TRACING we choose
> > BPF_TRACE_FENTRY attach type automatically (because it doesn't really
> > matter whether its BPF_TRACE_FEXIT or BPF_MODIFY_RETURN, they all are
> > either supported or none is). We then expect that verifier will
> > complain with "attach_btf_id 1 is not a function" error. If we do see
> > that error, we know that verifier supports fentry/fexit programs *in
> > principle*, which is what we are checking with
> > libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type().
>
> Ok got it, thank you. My issue is that in my project I need to use
> BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP programs that AFAIK don't require the support for bpf
> trampoline, so they could be supported even if
> BPF_TRACE_FENTRY/BPF_MODIFY_RETURN are not supported. This is what
> happens on arm64 kernels where we have BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP but
> BPF_TRACE_FENTRY/BPF_MODIFY_RETURN are still not supported... Right
> now I'm using libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type() to check the support for
> BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP but this is just an approximation, probably the best
> way to do that is to inject a small
> BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP prog and check that it is correctly loaded. It seems
> that libbpf doesn't provide APIs to do that, is it right?

BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP is not a program type, so not sure what you are checking.

fentry/fexit is BPF_PROG_TYPE_TRACING, while raw tracepoint is
BPF_PROG_TYPE_RAW_TRACEPOINT, there shouldn't be any problem for you.

>
> > If kernel doesn't support fentry/fexit attachment for some specific
> > function you'd like to attach to, that's a different matter. This
> > would be equivalent to BPF_PROG_TYPE_KPROBE check -- we check if
> > kprobes in general are supported, but not whether kprobing specific
> > kernel function works.
> >
> > I assume by "not supported on my machine" you mean that you can't
> > attach fentry/fexit to some function? If not, let me know, and we'd
> > have to debug this further.
>
> Sorry, probably I was not so clear, with this statement I mean that
> libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type() returns 1 even if BPF_TRACE_FENTRY progs
> cannot be attached into the kernel. [0] is an example of what I'm
> doing.
> 1. Check fentry support with libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type
> 2. Check fentry support with an approach similar to libbpf-tools (as
> you suggested)
> 3. Try to inject my real BPF programs.
>
> (2) (libbpf-tool check) is correctly able to detect that
> BPF_TRACE_FENTRY progs are not supported, when we call
> `bpf_raw_tracepoint_open` to attach the fentry prog, `524` is returned
> so we understand that this program is not supported. On the other
> side, (1) is not able to detect that programs are not supported, the
> API returns `1` as if they were supported. Now I have to highlight
> that this API is called libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type and not
> libbpf_probe_bpf_attach_type, so 1 could be the right return value
> since BPF_PROG_TYPE_TRACING progs are effectively supported, for
> example, attach_type  BPF_TRACE_RAW_TP is supported, but some other
> attach types like BPF_TRACE_FENTRY/BPF_MODIFY_RETURN  are not. If this
> API just checks for BPF_PROG_TYPE_TRACING support, probably the best
> way I have to check if a specific attach type is supported is to
> directly inject a small prog of this type, as libbpf-tool does. WDYT?

Could it be that you are mixing up enum bpf_prog_type with enum
bpf_attach_type when calling libbpf_probe_bpf_prog_type()?

>
> [0]: https://github.com/Andreagit97/BPF-perf-tests/blob/main/templates/fentry_attach.c
>
> > If you want to know if some function can be traced with fentry/fexit,
> > check below helper function from libbpf-tools ([0])
> >
> > bool fentry_can_attach(const char *name, const char *mod)
> >
> >
> >   [0] https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/libbpf-tools/trace_helpers.c#LL1043-L1043C58
> >
> Thank you for the pointer!
> >
> > > Thank you in advance for your time,
> > > Andrea




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