On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 09:07:14AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:31:57AM +0100, Jiri Olsa wrote: > > hi, > > this is RFC patchset for adding build id under inode's object. > > > > The main change to previous post [1] is to use inode object instead of file > > object for build id data. > > Please explain what a "build id" is, the use case for it, why we > need to store it in VFS objects, what threat model it is protecting > the system against, etc. hum I still did not get your email from mailing list, just saw it from Arnaldo's reply and downloaded it from lore our use case is for hubble/tetragon [1] and we are asked to report buildid of executed binary.. but the monitoring process is running in its own pod and can't access the the binaries outside of it, so we need to be able to read it in kernel we want to read build id from BPF program attached to sched_exec tracepoint, and from BPF iterator we considered adding BPF helper and then kfunc for that, but it turned out it'd be usefull for other use cases (like retrieving build id from atomic context [2]) to have the build id stored in file (or inode) object [1] https://github.com/cilium/tetragon/ [2] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/CA+khW7juLEcrTOd7iKG3C_WY8L265XKNo0iLzV1fE=o-cyeHcQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > > > > However.. ;-) while using inode as build id storage place saves some memory > > by keeping just one copy of the build id for all file instances, there seems > > to be another problem. > > Yes, the problem being that we can cache hundreds of millions of > inodes in memory, and only a very small subset of them are going to > have open files associated with them. And an even smaller subset are > going to be mmapped. ok, file seems like better option now > > So, in reality, this proposal won't save any memory at all - it > costs memory for every inode that is not currently being used as > a mmapped elf executable, right? right > > > The problem is that we read the build id when the file is mmap-ed. > > Why? I'm completely clueless as to what this thing does or how it's > used.... we need the build id only when the file is mmap-ed, so it seemed like the best way to read it when the file is mmaped > > > Which is fine for our use case, > > Which is? please see above thanks, jirka
