Re: [PATCH kbuild] kbuild: add -grecord-gcc-switches to clang build

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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 8:13 PM Yonghong Song <yhs@xxxxxx> wrote:
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> On 3/30/21 7:51 PM, David Blaikie wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 7:39 PM Fāng-ruì Sòng <maskray@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 6:48 PM Yonghong Song <yhs@xxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/30/21 5:25 PM, Fangrui Song wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-03-30, 'Yonghong Song' via Clang Built Linux wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/29/21 3:52 PM, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> >>>>>> (replying to
> >>>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20210328064121.2062927-1-yhs@xxxxxx/)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the patch!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +# gcc emits compilation flags in dwarf DW_AT_producer by default
> >>>>>>> +# while clang needs explicit flag. Add this flag explicitly.
> >>>>>>> +ifdef CONFIG_CC_IS_CLANG
> >>>>>>> +DEBUG_CFLAGS    += -grecord-gcc-switches
> >>>>>>> +endif
> >>>>>>> +
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, gcc defaults to -grecord-gcc-switches. Clang doesn't.
> >>>
> >>> Could you know why? dwarf size concern?
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> This adds ~5MB/1% to vmlinux of an x86_64 defconfig built with clang.
> >>>>>> Do we
> >>>>>> want to add additional guards for CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF, so that we
> >>>>>> don't have
> >>>>>> to pay that cost if that config is not set?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since this patch is mostly motivated to detect whether the kernel is
> >>>>> built with clang lto or not. Let me add the flag only if lto is
> >>>>> enabled. My measurement shows 0.5% increase to thinlto-vmlinux.
> >>>>> The smaller percentage is due to larger .debug_info section
> >>>>> (almost double) for thinlto vs. no lto.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ifdef CONFIG_LTO_CLANG
> >>>>> DEBUG_CFLAGS   += -grecord-gcc-switches
> >>>>> endif
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This will make pahole with any clang built kernels, lto or non-lto.
> >>>>
> >>>> I share the same concern about sizes. Can't pahole know it is clang LTO
> >>>> via other means? If pahole just needs to know the one-bit information
> >>>> (clang LTO vs not), having every compile option seems unnecessary....
> >>>
> >>> This is v2 of the patch
> >>>     https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20210331001623.2778934-1-yhs@xxxxxx/
> >>> The flag will be guarded with CONFIG_LTO_CLANG.
> >>>
> >>> As mentioned in commit message of v2, the alternative is
> >>> to go through every cu to find out whether DW_FORM_ref_addr is used
> >>> or not. In other words, check every possible cross-cu references
> >>> to find whether cross-cu reference actually happens or not. This
> >>> is quite heavy for pahole...
> >>>
> >>> What we really want to know is whether cross-cu reference happens
> >>> or not? If there is an easy way to get it, that will be great.
> >>
> >> +David Blaikie
> >
> > Yep, that shouldn't be too hard to test for more directly - scanning
> > .debug_abbrev for DW_FORM_ref_addr should be what you need. Would that
> > be workable rather than relying on detecting clang/lto from command
> > line parameters? (GCC can produce these cross-CU references too, when
> > using lto - so this approach would help make the solution generalize
> > over GCC's behavior too)
>
> Thanks, David. This should be better. I tried with a non-lto vmlinux.
> Did "llvm-dwarfdump --debug-abbrev vmlinux > log" and then
> "grep "DW_CHILDREN_no" log | wc -l" and get 231676 records.

What conclusions are you drawing from this number/data? (I'm not
following how DW_CHILDREN_no relates to the topic - perhaps I'm
missing something)

> I will try this approach. If the time is a very small fraction of
> actual dwarf cu processing time, we should be fine. This definitely
> better than visit all die's in cu trying to detect cross-cu reference.

*fingers crossed*




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