Re: libbpf CO-RE read_user{,_str} macros

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:48 PM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:44 PM Gilad Reti <gilad.reti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 8:47 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> > <andrii.nakryiko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 4:50 AM Gilad Reti <gilad.reti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:26 AM Andrii Nakryiko
> > > > <andrii.nakryiko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:58 AM Gilad Reti <gilad.reti@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello there,
> > > > > > libbpf provides BPF_CORE_READ macros for reading struct members in
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > CO-RE compatible way. By default those macros reduct to the
> > > > > > relevant
> > > > > > bpf_probe_read_kernel functions. As far as I could tell, there are
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > variants of this macros that wrap the _user variants of the read
> > > > > > functions. Are there any plans to support ones?
> > > > >
> > > > > BPF_CORE_READ() are using BPF CO-RE and thus emit relocations, which
> > > > > will be adjusted by libbpf to match kernel struct layouts by using
> > > > > kernel's BTF(s). Because of this, having xxx_user() variants doesn't
> > > > > make much sense, because libbpf can't relocate field offsets against
> > > > > user-space types (as there is no BTF for user-space applications,
> > > > > typically). Which is why there are no BPF_CORE_READ_USER()-like
> > > > > macros.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's your use case, though? There might be a valid one that we are
> > > > > not aware of, so please provide more details. Thanks.
> > > > Currently my use case is tracing syscall pointer arguments (For
> > > > example, "connect" has a "struct sockaddr *" argument).
> > >
> > > So if it's a kernel-defined data structure provided from user-space,
> > > then it has to be part of a stable UAPI type definitions, right? In
> > > such a case, you shouldn't need CO-RE, because the layout is stable.
> > > So it's still unclear why you'd need BPF_CORE_READ for that?..
> > I may be completely off, but can't struct offsets and members change
> > across different architectures?
>
> Hm.. that's an interesting angle, certainly across 32-bit and 64-bit
> architectures UAPI structs can have different layouts and it's
> possible to write and compile a single BPF program that would work on
> both. You'll most likely still have to compile twice (once for each
> architecture) due to the user-space part. But I think there is a use
> case or BPF_CORE_READ_USER() macro, so I don't mind adding it, let's
> just figure out the best way to do this. Thanks for elaborating!
Thank you for your time!
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Or is it because of the convenience of doing BPF_CORE_READ(s, field1,
> > > field2, field3) instead of a sequence of bpf_probe_read_user() calls?
> > > That's a different angle of BPF_CORE_READ() and we should clarify the
> > > desired functionality you are looking for.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Gilad Reti.



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