On 3/3/20 12:53 PM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
I think it depends on the environment, and yes, whether the orchestrator of those progs controls the host [networking] as in case of Cilium. We actually had cases where a large user in prod was accidentally removing the Cilium k8s daemon set (and hence the user space agent as well) and only noticed 1hrs later since everything just kept running in the data path as expected w/o causing them an outage. So I think both attachment semantics have pros and cons. ;)
of course. that's why there is pinning of FD-based links. There are cases where pinning is useful and there are cases where pinning will cause outages. During app restart temporary pinning might be useful too.
But then are you also expecting that netlink requests which drop that tc filter that holds this BPF prog would get rejected given it has a bpf_link, is active & pinned and traffic goes through? If not the case, then what would be the point? If it is the case, then this seems rather complex to realize for rather little gain given there are two uapi interfaces (bpf, tc/netlink) which then mess around with the same underlying object in different ways.
Legacy api for tc, xdp, cgroup will not be able to override FD-based link. For TC it's easy. cls-bpf allows multi-prog, so netlink adding/removing progs will not be able to touch progs that are attached via FD-based link. Same thing for cgroups. FD-based link will be similar to 'multi' mode. The owner of the link has a guarantee that their program will stay attached to cgroup. XDP is also easy. Since it has only one prog. Attaching FD-based link will prevent netlink from overriding it. This way the rootlet prog installed by libxdp (let's find a better name for it) will stay attached. libxdp can choose to pin it in some libxdp specific location, so other libxdp-enabled applications can find it in the same location, detach, replace, modify, but random app that wants to hack an xdp prog won't be able to mess with it. We didn't come up with these design choices overnight. It came from hard lessons learned while deploying xdp, tc and cgroup in production. Legacy apis will not be deprecated, of course.
