Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Discuss more features + use cases for sched_ext

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Fixing with Tejun's correct email address again. ;-)

On 2/19/2024 4:11 AM, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/19/2024 3:48 AM, Muhammad Usama Anjum wrote:
>> On Fri, 2024-01-26 at 15:59 -0600, David Vernet wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A few more use cases have emerged for sched_ext that are not yet
>>> supported that I wanted to discuss in the BPF track. Specifically:
>>>
>>> - EAS: Energy Aware Scheduling
>>>
>>> While firmware ultimately controls the frequency of a core, the kernel
>>> does provide frequency scaling knobs such as EPP. It could be useful for
>>> BPF schedulers to have control over these knobs to e.g. hint that
>>> certain cores should keep a lower frequency and operate as E cores.
>>> This could have applications in battery-aware devices, or in other
>>> contexts where applications have e.g. latency-sensitive
>>> compute-intensive workloads.
>> The current scheduler must already be using the frequency scaling
>> knobs. Can sched_ext use those knobs directly with hint from userspace
>> easily?
> 
> With regards to the current way of doing things, it depends. On Intel platforms,
> if HWP is enabled (Hardware-Controlled Performance States) which it is on almost
> all Intel platforms I've seen, then the selection of the individual Performance
> states (P-states) is done by the hardware, not the OS. My understanding is the
> benefit of HWP is responsiveness of the state selection. So the only thing OS
> can control then is either Turbo boost, or EPP.  Unfortunately, this hinders
> using an energy model and doing energy calculations (ex. If I place shit on this
> core instead of that, then the total system power is such and such because
> P-state on this core is this) the way EAS on ARM does. But maybe we can do
> something simple with what is available and reap some benefits.
> 
> On ARM platforms, there is more finer grained OS control of different operating
> performance points (what they call OPP).
> 
> Thanks.




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