You'd be surprised how little the people on the bottom, like accessibility folks, get paid. He probably isn't really making all that much. Devin Prater r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:44 PM Linux for blind general discussion < blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > John, > > > > On Mon, 15 Aug 2022, John G. Heim wrote: > > > Linux is free, open source software. Much of it is written by > volunteers. The > > Linux community simply isn't comperable to Apple or Microsoft. Apple and > > Microsoft have ethical obligations that do not apply to the Linux > community. > I am sorry, but this is simply not correct. > > Linus began developing Linux, marketed as a free edition of > UNIX in 1991. > Since then the system is frankly used in countless ways, > including products that carry legal obligations to be inclusive. > > Here is an article listing but a few. Searching uses for Linux? > In your preferred tool will lead to many more such articles. > > > From your kitchen to the reaches of outer space, Linux gets > everywhere... > > 25 Awesome Things Powered By Linux > By Joey Sneddon � Updated 5 January 2021 > > > https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/25-awesome-unexpected-things-powered-linux > > A few from this list alone. > > 1. Super Computers > Yep, every single one of the world's top 500 supercomputers > use Linux. > > 2. NASA > From storing data sent down from satellites and telescopes, to > crunching that data for research institutions and the greater > public to use, NASA relies heavily on Linux. > > 6. Roku > All Roku hardware runs a custom, heavily modified version of > Linux called `Roku OS'. > > 8. Smart TVs > Linux doesn't just power a plethora of set-top boxes. A number > of leading TV manufacturers offer a built-in `smart TV' > experience Using Linux. > From LG (who use WebOS) to Samsung (who use Tizen) to Sharp, > HiSense, Philips and Panasonic... The list of gogglebox giants > making use of Linux goes on! > > 10. The Amazon Kindle > The Kindle is almost a byword for digital e-readers, but few > give much thought to the embedded operating system it runs, but > it is Linux. Some hackers even managed to install Ubuntu on the > early-gen Kindles. > The very first version of the Kindle OS used Linux kernel > v2.6.26, > while the most recent, the Kindle Oasis, uses v3.0.35. > > 15. Self Driving Cars > > Google's autonomous car computers run Linux, as do prototype > self-driving vehicles from General Motors (GM) and Volkswagen. > > 19. Advanced Air Traffic Control > > The Federal Aviation Administration of the United States > switched to Linux back in 2006. It runs custom-built software to > manage and display air traffic flow - software that runs on > Linux. > > 20. Chromebooks > You'd be surprised how many people think Chromebooks run > Android -- they don't. Chromebooks run Chrome OS, a Linux > distribution based on but heavily modified from) Gentoo. > > 23. U.S. Department of Defense > > The United States Department of Defense is the single biggest > customer of Red Hat Linux. > > Honestly I have no idea where you get the sense that Linux is run > by volunteers. When IBM bought Red Hat, the company behind > Fedora in 2019, they paid 34 billion dollars for the company. > Meaning this individual is likely drawing an amazing wage to > define Accessibility in Linux by their very small and limited > dictionary. > > > Karen > > > > > > On 8/14/22 18:21, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> I echo this attitude concern, but for a different reason. > >> who gets to decide what bodies deserve a place at the table? > >> because of a vascular accident in an eye surgery, I experience a brain > >> anomaly where certain frequencies stimulate the dizzy centres of my > brain. > >> allot of those frequencies happen in poorly designed software speech > >> configurations for Linux. > >> Meaning, because little effort has been made to give choices for Linux > >> speech in the gui, if I wanted to use this, I would have to choose > between > >> a Linux computer and hospitalization. > >> compare this with apple hardware. > >> I recently aquired a mid 2012 macbook pro which, because of how the > >> voiceover sound is produced is perfectly safe for my use..and I can > >> still run only one Mac os off from the last pre m.1 systems. > >> i have an associate in my office running their business on a 2011 > macbook > >> pro. > >> Indeed climate change, landfill issues, available resources in terms of > >> training and access all over the world. > >> And, for many how their body works mandates choices. > >> There was a time when one of the great things about Linux was that it > >> could be used to breathe new life into older hardware. especially > >> helpful in non-western countries where getting the fastest car on the > >> road was costly. > >> If your attitude was the rule though, those folks regardless of > abilities > >> might never get computers at all. > >> take your attitude and say substitute braille. > >> Statistically less than 10% of the blindness community are braille > >> users, meaning the majority do not use it, or even learn it if newly > >> blinded. > >> so, its unfortunate some blind people are still stuck needing volumes > and > >> volumes of braille, but to expect the world to confirm to such a > limited > >> use language etc. > >> Speaking personally, especially given how flexible Linux is supposed to > >> be? > >> deciding some have no place at your gui table is little different than > >> deciding those who are visible minorities, no matter the location, > have no > >> place at the table either. > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Chris Brannon wrote: > >> > >> > Matt Campbell <mattcampbell@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > >> > > >> > > I took this position in 2000, but for the last decade or more, > access > >> > > to a > >> > > GUI has been widely available to blind people at no extra cost. > (If > >> > > there > >> > > are blind people today who are truly stuck on old hardware with no > >> > > accessible GUI, that's unfortunate, but I think this is one case > where > >> > > the > >> > > best solution is charity, not expecting the rest of the world to > >> > > accommodate > >> > > this situation forever. That's no different than for sighted > people > >> > > stuck on > >> > > very old hardware.) > >> > > >> > I'm sorry, but this is a very irresponsible attitude, given the > impact > >> > of climate change. And now on top of that, the world is coping with > >> > supply chain issues. "Chuck it in a landfill because it won't run > the > >> > latest Electron app" is deeply unacceptable. > >> > > >> > I do agree with you about the importance of GUI accessibility, even > >> > though I only use one when circumstances force me to it. I'm > somewhat > >> > optimistic about the recent news. > >> > > >> > -- Chris > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list