By above, do you mean visually or from tabs' perspective? I have TB opened right now, with the inbox displayed. And there are exactly 4 components on the screen in this order: * Tabs selector, with the Inbox tab selected * Filter edit field * Navigation tree with the accounts and folders structure * Messages list And that's all. Since I don't really need neither tabs nor the filter, I'm basically working with two components, one following the other. This was the in fact default state after installation, all I did was turning of the messages preview by pressing F8 and setting new messages to appear in a separate window. Nothing really complicated. The new message window contains the recipient field, subject field and message field. There are few other components when pressing shift+tab from the recipient field, but since I usually don't need them and the focus already begins in the recipient field after opening the window, It's again not a problem. Best regards Rastislav Dňa 19. 3. 2021 o 0:36 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): > I'm using the latest Thunderbird on Ubuntu Mate 20.04, and yes the today > pane is what I'm refering to, which put a calendar above the folder > list, and the filter messages/search bar. Which is infinitely annoying > since Mozilla decided to have it on by default, and this was publicized > before the latest update of Thunderbird. > > On the subject of Alpine/Mutt, I'm runnning into issues with Gmail > giving me critical security issues due to how Mutt/Alpine handle > authenticating things, so Tim, any ideas? > > On 18/03/2021 23:19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> hey there, >> >> hmm, I'm affraid I kind of don't understand it. >> >> How exactly is Thunderbird clutter? >> >> >> As for Lightning, yes, it used to be there, but it was never appearing >> anywhere near the components used for navigation, and was so invisible, >> that I don't remember ever seeing it. >> >> In fact, I don't even know, whether it is still here or not. :D >> >> There were various changes, and I don't remember what's the current >> resolution. >> >> >> As for the new message window, what version of TB do you use? >> >> In 78+ releases, the recipient field was replaced by a newone, which >> allows you to write everything to that one place. >> >> Right after finishing the address and tabbing or may be pressing some >> key (I did not check), it disappears and nextone can be written, if you >> wish the message to be send to anyone else. >> >> >> So in practice, you need just one tab to get to the subject field. >> >> >> In general, I'm personally really satisfied with TB. It perhaps could be >> a little bit faster with imap accounts, but since I use Protonmail, >> which provides its own app to create a local imap server for end to end >> inbox encryption / decryption, that doesn't really bother me as local >> sockets have practically no speed limits. >> >> >> Being able to sort e-mails to threads (in a logical way, unlike >> Evolution), receive RSS news and write eMails in Markdown, I personally >> currently don't have any reasons to search alternatives, except my >> curiosity. :) >> >> >> Best regards >> >> >> Rastislav >> >> >> Dňa 18. 3. 2021 o 16:01 Linux for blind general discussion napísal(a): >>> So is there a way I can declutter Thunderbird to be simpler/easier to >>> navigate? I don't /need/ Lightningtaking up space, or having to tab >>> twice in writing a message to get to the subject field. >>> >>> So can I do anything to declutter Thunderbird. Or are there any >>> alternative email programs that are just as good as Thunderbird that >>> work great with Orca? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list