To me, this discussion looks like "hey, accessibilty issues of Amazon
website prevent me to make Mr Bezos richer. That's a shame!"
Sorry, I couldn't resist <smile>
have a good day everybody,
Didier
On 25/08/2019 15:19, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Put out whatever misinformation you like, but it doesn't and won't
change anyone's past experiences nor the reasons or causes for them.
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 23:26:12
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: amazon?
Congress has not attached web accessibility guidelines to the ADA, guidelines
were not established under President Obama and President Trump's
administration is officially not pursuing any such guidelines.
https://www.boia.org/blog/is-website-accessibility-required-under-the-ada
Amazon is not covered under Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, as the
Department of the Navy is.
Don't get me wrong, I think the ADA extends to web sites, and I think Domino's
will lose, but the legal question has yet to be settled. This would all be
moot if the DoJ under Obama or Trump had adopted the WCAD 2.0 standards as the
standards applying to web accessibility under the ADA.
On 8/24/19 3:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
I predict Dominos will have its clock thoroughly cleaned. Precedent
even in the Supreme Court isn't on their side.
Congress made it clear what accessibility requirements are in the
accessibility process and that happened in 2010. There's about 16
technical requirements and a Preamble to Section 508 and this was
something D.O.D. got measured against in 2012 when Obama required a
D.O.D.-wide accessibility report. End result of that was the United
States Navy was Accessibility Leader and the United States Navy was
still left with serious problems and all other components had much work
to do. I know about that having worked for the Navy during that time.
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:53:37
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: amazon?
Amazon is definitely aware of Linux. They have apps running on Android and
even platforms that use Android as their OS. They support Linux in AWS
including their own flavor of Linux. I'm sure their are some staff at
Amazon
who don't know about Linux, but that doesn't mean the company is unaware of
or
doesn't care about Linux.
BTW, there is still a legal question as to whether a web site which offers
products or services to the public needs to be accessible. The ADA doesn't
have companion guidelines on what it means for a site to be accessible and
Domino's is going to court to claim that the ADA doesn't require them to
make
their site or apps accessible. I think the ADA does apply to public web
sites,
and I think Domino's will lose, but that doesn't mean it isn't still an
open
legal question.
On 8/24/19 2:11 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
1. My comment regarding Linux is based on direct communications with
Amazon
staff,? who have confessed not to have heard of it,and? who have no direct
contact with their so called accessibility team when problems arise.
2. them properly compiled? elinks and links function with java script.
3.? Access is tied to interaction which is why even later editions of lynx
can manage some scripting, submit buttons for example.
4. since adaptive technology is often a substitution for the persons eyes,
hands, brain, and the like, what gives you the right to state that
technology choices are not tied to physical mandates?? How does your
stance
differ from those who claim that access need not exist at all,? or that
all
those sharing? a label are the same?
5. the names of access or other individuals at amazon confirming your
assumption here?? the legal stance is that if a site serves the public, an
individual can expect equal public access...which is why? alternative
doors??? are to exist? in the first place.
How do you know what low graphics can or cannot do if you do not follow
their development?? This is about keyboard response which exists in
graphical? browsers like elinks and links.
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
I don't believe for a minute that the accessibility staff at Amazon has
either forgotten or stopped caring about Linux accessibility.
Realistically
though, it is possible that they have stopped worrying about the very
small
number of people who still use text-based browsers and expect them to
work
for shopping, banking and other modern internet tasks. The thing is Linux
accessibility in 2019 != lynx/links/elinks accessibility. In fact, this
hasn't been the case since about 2008 or so
.
Unfortunately, text-based browsers have not kept up with the rest of the
internet, and can't be expected to work well for most websites without a
major overhaul, especially since they don't even support the latest HTML5
standards, nor do they support accessibility standards that have been in
place for years. Even w3m doesn't fully support the w3c's own standards.
Yes, I can see why some people may want these light-weight and fast
browsers to work with Amazon, and yes, they should be made aware of the
problems that people are having. But to say that Amazon doesn't care
about
Linux accessibility because their site doesn't work with a text-based
browser is at best a gross exageration, and is at worst a grave
disservice
to those of us who use Linux and a screen reader at the same time.
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