As the subject says I do not have either programs on my system. Ware would I go to get a hold of them. I also don't have any man pages for them. I checked the aur and I even checked pacman and there not there either. -- Seth Hurst hurstseth405@xxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list