jaws for dos last time I found it was on an ftp site. I used that link
several years ago and haven't got it any longer, but freedomscientific I
think has an ftp site separate from its web page you might search
through.
Depending on your hardware synthesizer, provox 7 which is a pretty close
emulation of vocaleyes may work.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 22:52:31
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: living in the console.
I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine. I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I
really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since
I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be helpful. thanks yall.
Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and screen
reading program.
If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the start
files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing first
from floppy etc.
Depends on what you are using all the way around.
Karen
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen?
Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this
year
http://www.freedos.org/download/
which is available for free and has multiple installation-media
images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your
machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image
files to write to a USB disk)
It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS
application that you throw at it.
-tim
On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness!
How can i get it?
Mark Peveto
Registered Linux user number 600552
Everything happens after coffee!
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine
running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen
reader.
Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem
cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles.
Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to
remote accounts etc.
The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux
consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local
box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server.
And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls
from my main keyboard.
On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general
discussion wrote:
If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work
in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a
program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to
the other computer running linux and have all console output
redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did
this once with only one version of linux and the information on
how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
From: Linux for blind general discussion
<blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general
discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living in
the console.
I am not.
since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system.
That means having one built and configured locally..something
I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it
regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that
gives me something needful. My present dos package for
example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has
full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying
to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a
decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine.
User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can
be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in
basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in
person training.
I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send
it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked
hardware, or for that person to have included any way to
reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into
the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running
Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as
current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box
must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for
music making and media..which means in person real skill.
long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no
progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building
a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to
introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we
waited...and waited...and waited lol!
besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one
side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me
personally is counter productive.
My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine
actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands
off the keys unless I need to review.
Most important though since all software speech makes me
dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am
using. Long answer to as short comment,
Kare
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source.
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
wrote:
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
From: Linux for blind general discussion
<blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general
discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living
in the console.
which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
I have no actual Linux box myself.
Kare
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
wrote:
Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe
or
edbrowse-setup > or something like that.
Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
The readme file will tell you all about it.
On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind
general
discussion > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well it must require more because when I tried
visiting
paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank
page.
Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are
you
looking for > business solutions?
Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
Kare
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general
discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something
just type: edbrowse url
or
edbrowse file
Then you can use the same commands as ed.
edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other
stuff. I love it.
On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind
general discussion > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish
to test
something.
Karen
On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind
general
discussion wrote:
Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg
with
surfraw-heavy.
Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
discussion > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim here
Mark Peveto wrote
Over the last couple days or so, I've considered
becoming a totally command line linux user.
I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big
hurdle
for much of my
day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many
things, but some sites just need a fully
modern-standards-supporting browser.
How would I print to my printer for example,
It depends on what you want to print, but it
usually involves piping
things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It
can be
configured to
use CUPS on the back end (and may already be
configured out of the box for you).
Getting fancier output would involve
rendering some
sort of markup.
There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and
even > >
Word/LibreOffice
docs from the command-line to the printer.
I don't know what you want to print, but I
suspect
it can be done in
most cases.
play an entire album from my music
collection. It depends on your tastes, but
there are literally
dozens of music
players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123
allow you to specify just the files you want on the
command line and
it will play
them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give
you a little more control over playback.
There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music
Player
Daemon/Client that
runs in the background and doesn't really have a
GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the
mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you
create/edit playlists,
control playback,
etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map
them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases
in the shell
and have > > > quick
access to common commands with my media-keys.
Personally, I use "cmus" which has a
text-mode GUI
but also has a
remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up
tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus
which lets me flip between
them > > > pretty
readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search
my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be
familiar with in a
graphical > > > player.
How, also, would I create documents in
something beyond text
format?
usually it's done with a markup that suits
your
tastes. I personally
have been writing HTML by hand since college in
the mid
90s so > > > that's
what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX
(it does produce some beautiful output and also has
external library
support for > > > things
like music markup letting you write scores) while
other people like some of the more light-weight
markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like.
I'd kick the tires on a few and see what
feels
natural to you.
Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that
lets you convert between a large number of
input/output formats so you can write in Markdown
and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
to MS-Word
format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with
minimal loss. And
it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you
may lose some information in the process since
plain-text doesn't support many features as you've
acknowledged)
How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy
all
linux has to offer
in the console?
One program at a time (grins). So much like
each of
the items above,
it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the
GUI
but would > > > like
to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your
next adventure.
I maintain a page listing a number of common
command-line tools:
http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
that can point you in the direction of
various
applications to try
out. Some might drive you crazy while others might
fit your brain just right. They should all be free
and are likely in most software repos, so it
doesn't cost you anything except a little time to
try each one out.
I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who
ever
decides to help
me is gonna hafta be patient.
The folks on this list are a pretty friendly
&
patient bunch, so
we'll be glad to help where we can.
-tim
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