Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:07
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: living in the console.
But why would that be needful when one can connect to the Linux box with
ssh telnet?
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a
> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work in the
> console it's possible with a null modem cable and a program like kermit
> or commo on the dos machine to connect to the other computer running
> linux and have all console output redirected out the linux serial port
> to the dos box. I did this once with only one version of linux and the
> information on how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto
> files.
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36
> > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> >
> > I am not.
> > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my
> > synthesizer,
> > it is not like I can just buy a system.
> > That means having one built and configured locally..something I did
> > not
> > think would be such an issue. I mean I do it regularly for DOS when
> > I
> > find a later edition of DOS that gives me something needful. My
> > present
> > dos package for example is only a few years old comparatively
> > speaking,
> > has full USB
> > support, networking etc. However I have been trying to find local
> > talent
> > for the Linux side for more than a decade now, almost 15 years or
> > so I
> > imagine.
> > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can be
> > found.
> > clear, fundamental and step by step information in basic but
> > informative
> > detail does not exist, let alone in person training.
> >
> > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send it, only
> > not
> > to have Linux support any of the hand picked hardware, or for that
> > person
> > to have included any way to reach the internet...I am serious.
> > I would ssh telnet into the box just like I do for Shellworld which
> > is
> > now
> > running Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not
> > as
> > current.
> > I have no problem doing that at all, but the box must exist setup to
> > my
> > specifications, I intend using it for music making and media..which
> > means
> > in person real skill. long distance has simply produced amusing
> > efforts
> > with no progress.
> > My favorite local effort was when someone building a machine for me
> > showed
> > up with a live disk prepared to introduce me to Linux.
> > They popped in the cd and we waited...and waited...and waited lol!
> >
> > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one side of
> > the
> > keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me personally is
> > counter
> > productive.
> > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine actually,
> > let me
> > get information without ever taking my hands off the keys unless I
> > need
> > to
> > review.
> > Most important though since all software speech makes me dizzy is the
> > need
> > to keep the voice I have with whatever I am using.
> > Long answer to as short comment,
> > Kare
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >
> > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop,
> > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ > is one good source.
> > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30
> > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: living in the console.
> > > > > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere.
> > > > I have no actual Linux box myself.
> > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe or >
> > > > > > > > >
> > edbrowse-setup or something like that.
> > > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup.
> > > > > The readme file will tell you all about it.
> > > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind general > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > discussion > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried visiting
> > > > > > paypal I just > > > got a series of numbers and a blank
> > > > > > page.
> > > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are you
> > > > > looking for business solutions?
> > > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at
> > > > > shellworld.
> > > > > Will hunt some sort of manual and try again,
> > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > If you mean to browse something just type:
> > > > > > > > edbrowse url
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > edbrowse file
> > > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed.
> > > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other stuff.
> > > > > > > > I >
> > > > > > > love > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > discussion > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse?
> > > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish to test
> > > > > > > >
> > something.
> > > > > > Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind general
> > discussion > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg with > >
> > surfraw-heavy.
> > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone
> > > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Tim here
> > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote
> > > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered becoming
> > > > > > > a >
> > > > > > totally
> > > > > > > command line linux user.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big hurdle for
> > much > > > > > > > > of > > my
> > > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many things,
> > > > > > > but >
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > sites just need a fully modern-standards-supporting
> > > > > > > browser.
> > > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example,
> > > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it usually
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > involves > > piping
> > > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It can be > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > configured > > to
> > > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be configured
> > > > > > > out of the
> > > > > > > box for you).
> > > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve rendering some
> > > > > > > > > > sort of > > markup.
> > > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and even > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > Word/LibreOffice
> > > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I suspect
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > can > > > > > > > > be > > done in
> > > > > > > most cases.
> > > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music collection.
> > > > > > > > > > It depends on your tastes, but there are literally
> > dozens > > > > > > > > of > > music
> > > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 allow
> > > > > > > you to
> > > > > > > specify just the files you want on the command line and it
> > will > > play
> > > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give you a
> > > > > > > little >
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > control over playback.
> > > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music Player > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > Daemon/Client > > that
> > > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a GUI. The
> > > > > > > mpd
> > > > > > > program runs in the background and the mpc program acts
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > remote-control, letting you create/edit playlists, control
> > > > > > > > >
> > playback,
> > > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map them to
> > > > > > > particular keys on my keyboard or aliases in the shell and
> > have > > > > > > > > > > quick
> > > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys.
> > > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a text-mode GUI
> > > > > > > > > > but >
> > > > > > > > > also > > has a
> > > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up tmux and
> > have > > > > > a
> > > > > > > pane for my alsamixer and cmus which lets me flip between
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search my
> > collection,
> > > > > > > shuffle, etc, much like you'd be familiar with in a
> > > > > > > graphical
> > > > > > > > > > > > player.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something >
> > > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > text
> > > > > > > format?
> > > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits your
> > > > > > > > > > tastes.
> > I > > personally
> > > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in the mid
> > > > > > > 90s so
> > > > > > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX (it does
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > produce
> > > > > > > some beautiful output and also has external library
> > > > > > > support
> > for > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while other
> > > > > > > people like
> > > > > > > some of the more light-weight markup languages like
> > > > > > > Markdown
> > or > > > > > RST
> > > > > > > or the like.
> > > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what feels
> > > > > > > > > > natural
> > to > > you.
> > > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that lets you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > convert
> > > > > > > between a large number of input/output formats so you can
> > write > > > > > in
> > > > > > > Markdown and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert
> > > > > > > to >
> > > MS-Word
> > > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with minimal
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > loss. > > And
> > > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you may lose
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > information in the process since plain-text doesn't
> > > > > > > support >
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > features as you've acknowledged)
> > > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy all
> > > > > > > > > > linux
> > has > > > > > > > > to > > offer
> > > > > > > in the console?
> > > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like each of
> > > > > > > > > > the items > > above,
> > > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the GUI but
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > would > > > > > like
> > > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your next >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > adventure.
> > > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common
> > command-line > > tools:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/
> > > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of various > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > applications > > to try
> > > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might fit
> > > > > > > your >
> > > > > > brain
> > > > > > > just right. They should all be free and are likely in most
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > software
> > > > > > > repos, so it doesn't cost you anything except a little
> > > > > > > time to try
> > > > > > > each one out.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who ever
> > decides > > > > > > > > to > > help
> > > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient.
> > > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly &
> > > > > > > > > > patient >
> > > > > > > > > bunch, > > so
> > > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can.
> > > > > > > > > > -tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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