Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

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I'm not sure about an install, but I've setup a machine with Windows 8 preinstalled without sighted help just using Narrator. It's been a while though.

I've heard things are only better in Windows 10.

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Christopher (CJ)
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On 27/04/17 06:28, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Tony Baechler here.

I have two major problems with this argument, namely what Chris says in
that Talking Arch should be a separate project. I feel strongly that
speech and Braille should be part of all boot media for all mainstream
distros unless it wouldn't be practical, such as for very small systems
or due to space limitations on the boot media.

First, I guess it's just me, but pressing a key or two at the boot
prompt really isn't a big deal. My boot loader lets me pick what OS I
want to boot. I have to press a number for the partition I want. If you
use GRUB and want to boot into recovery mode, you press the down arrow,
whether you're blind or sighted. If you want to boot a custom Linux
kernel command line, you type it in. Pressing the letter "s" and Enter
to start speech in Debian and Slackware is hardly what I would call an
inconvenience. Granted, I agree that I would rather not have to press
aspecial keys, but if it keeps most people happy (the sighted don't want
speech) and allows an accessible install, it's fine with me.

The second major problem I have is that unless I'm mistaken, it's still
impossible for the blind to install Windows without help. Much of it can
be automated and maybe Win10 has Narrator during the install, I'm not
sure. The point is speech doesn't start automatically and there are far
more keys to randomly press to get speech. In the past, I had someone
install Windows for me before I could install a screen reader. One area
where Linux shines is there are distros which only require a key or two
at boot to have a fully talking installer which is identical to what the
sighted use. Even the Mac can't do that, although one can start
VoiceOver during the installation.

On 4/24/2017 8:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Kelly Prescott here.
It takes a lot of effort to make a boot environment talk...  I know,
because
that is what I am working on.
I am not speaking of Linux, I am speaking of a boot loader.
When I finish my boot loader, then it might be realistic to have a normal
arch cd with some boot options.
Until that happens, I agree with Chris.  I don't like to boot and
guess what
to type and when.

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