It's not perfect by any means, but brother when you don't have a pair of eyes handy it's better than nothin. I haven't bought knfb yet, although my fiance, Alicia, has it. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.13 On Mon, 4 Jul 2016, John G. Heim wrote: > If you can configure a serial console, you would be able to read those > messages. But I still say it's a process in an uninterrruptable sleep which > means the kernel can't kill it during a normal shutdown. That, in turn, > implies that it is a kernel bug in a device driver. In fact, I will wager it's > the driver for your sound card and the process that is in an uninterruptable > sleep is pulse. That's just a guess though. > If the machine is kind of old, it is very likely to have a serial port. Then > you need another computer and a null modem cable to configure a serial > console. There is a really good serial console howto on the web. No point in > me reiterating all that. If you have never configured a serial console before, > you are not likely to have a null modem cable lying around. But setting up a > serial console is a valuable skill for a blind linux sysadmin to have. You can > even do a serial console install of VMware ESXI. > > PS: Thanks for the tip on tap tap see. I'd never heard of it before. I am > going to try it today. When I need to have a screen read to me by my phone, I > have been using the knfbReader app. > > On 07/03/2016 01:08 PM, Mark Peveto wrote: > > I've been working on this more today, pulling out all the tools I've got. > > To the point i'm using tap tap see to try and get an idea of what's on my > > screen when reboot hangs. The most i can > > get is a message about bus socket display, and a command prompt. > > Not real helpful, but I guess it's a start. > > > > Mark Peveto > > Registered Linux user number 600552 > > Sent from sonar using alpine 2.20.13 > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Jul 2016, Tony Baechler wrote: > > > > > On 7/2/2016 1:54 AM, Mark Peveto wrote: > > > > The short version of a long story. I've just installed sonar on a dell > > > > pc. > > > > I've also got it installed on a compaq/hp machine, where the followig > > > > problem doesn't exist. On the dell, sudo reboot seems to hang. Sudo > > > > shutdown works fine. I've tried sudo shutdown -r now, sudo systemctl > > > > reboot, and > > > > other options. How, without sighted help, can I find out what's causing > > > > this machine to hang when I reboot. What's strange is this...why does > > > > it > > > > shut > > > > down just fine, but not reboot? > > > I'm not familiar with Sonar, so consider these random guesses. First, have > > > you > > > looked in /var/log/syslog and kern.log? There might be a process not > > > shutting > > > down properly. If you halt the system, all processes are killed and all > > > filesystems are unmounted. A reboot only resets the system, so I suppose > > > it's > > > possible that a process is behaving badly or the kernel can't unmount a > > > filesystem. I see this sometimes with slow USB devices, like if I copy a > > > ton > > > of files to my SD card. A more likely explanation is an ACPI or power > > > management issue. You didn't say how old the machines are, but it could be > > > a > > > BIOS bug. Recent kernels should work around this. Without knowing the age > > > of > > > the machine and the kernel version, I can only guess. > > > > > > Also, the machine isn't a laptop, right? Laptops usually have power > > > management > > > issues. On Debian, there is a package called acpi-tools. Try installing it > > > if > > > it isn't there or purging it if it's there. I have better luck without it > > > installed. I would bet syslog and kern.log would have clues to your > > > problem. I > > > would check those first. Make note of the time you reboot the machine and > > > look > > > at those files with less. You could try booting a live CD to avoid adding > > > all > > > of the boot messages to the logs. You didn't say if that happens on a live > > > CD, > > > booting from the hard drive, other distros, etc. I''ve noticed most live > > > CDs > > > have strange shutdown problems. You might have to pass a parameter on the > > > kernel command line. Both HP and Dell have issues with Linux. > > > > > > -- > > > Tony Baechler, founder, Baechler Access Technology Services > > > Putting accessibility at the forefront of technology > > > mailto:bats@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Phone: 1-619-746-8310 SMS text: 1-619-375-2545 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list