Thank you very much for that info.
Al
On 7/11/2014 12:48 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
In debian stable (weezy) and testing (jessie), speakup with software
speech crashes if you start orca. A fix may be in ubuntu because it's
also in the old version of sonar which was based on ubuntu. I didn't
check out how they did it but they probably compiled espeak with
pulseaudio instead of alsa. IMO, the espeakpackage developers should
make this an installation option.
To reproduce the fix:
1. apt-get install libpulse-dev libsonic-dev
2. apt-get source espeak
3. cd espeak-1.6.42/src/
4. Edit the Makefile. Comment out the line that says to use portaudio
and uncomment the line that says to use pulseaudio. Or use this diff:
0c30
< AUDIO = portaudio
---
> #AUDIO = portaudio
33c33
< #AUDIO = pulseaudio
---
> AUDIO = pulseaudio
5. make
6. make install
On 07/11/14 08:46, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
As a practical point in favor of Vinux, I gather that its developers
have worked out getting Orca and Speakup to function together in the
troublesome land of Pulseaudio, but on Wheezy this is not true. Is this
correct?
Al
On 7/11/2014 7:56 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I agree, there's no purpose to argue the point, since I'll just start
repeating myself. I will say though that the admonishment to avoid
updates because they might break accessibility is no longer on the Vinux
site. This has been true since Vinux 4.0 and it may even go back to the
last Vinux 3.X.
On 07/11/2014 02:29 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
I'm not going to argue the point with you, but look at what happened to
Oralux. It's long dead with no more support. I believe there are
only a
few active developers working on Vinux. If one of them loses interest
and
moves on, that's about 1/3 or 1/4 of the development team. Even if
they
don't lose interest, what if they have a long-term illness? Life
happens,
like it or not. Debian has about 1,000 developers, so if one quits,
there
are still 999 left. There are literally thousands of messages on the
debian-user list every month and tens of thousands of questions in the
Ubuntu forums. I really doubt if Vinux has that much traffic. The
fact is
that most sighted people don't know anything about the blind, don't
want to
know and don't have the interest to support the blind even if they
took the
time and effort. There are other issues as well, such as a note on the
Vinux site to not install any Ubuntu updates because they might break
the
speech support. Besides the obvious issue of not gettine newer
packages
with possibly better accessibility, your system is left wide open to
security exploits. That was Vinux 3.X, so hopefully 4.X fixes that.
If you
run Debian stable and choose to upgrade your packages, you won't have
system
breakage. If you run testing and upgrade Gnome, you could lose
speech, but
that's your choice and the price you pay for running testing.
Otherwise,
you're at the mercy of the Vinux developers to come out with a new
version.
On 2014-07-10 08:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure what you
mean by
The other problem with a specialized
Linux is the lack of support. There are tens of thousands of Debian
and
Ubuntu users while there are only a few dedicated Vinux users and
developers.
It's true there are fewer people using and developing Vinux, but all
of the
support you get from Ubuntu also applies to Vinux. I find the
answers to
many more questions on my system running Vinux from the Ubuntu forums
than I
do the Vinux mailing list, wiki or IRC channel.
Vinux developers are just making a lot of the changes you'd be making
yourself on your own Ubuntu install, so in addition to being able to
leverage all of the support out there for Ubuntu, you also get
support for
the changes you want to make to make your own system more accessible
anyway.
I'm not trying to talk up Vinux at the expense of Ubuntu or Debian.
Going to
Linux is all about choice. I just don't want people to get the
impression
that if they choose Vinux they'll be on their own.
Note that this also applies to other distributions customized for the
blind,
such as Sonar, although Sonar is moving to a Arch based distribution
instead
of Ubuntu.
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