Please see my answers below. I'll deal with your points one at a time.
First, it's not as hopeless as it sounds. Yes, Linux has a learning curve
and it's certainly not the same as DOS, but it's much more powerful once you
get used to it. I stayed with Dos and Windows 98 for years because I didn't
want to give up the flexibility, but now that I'm pretty familiar with
Linux, I wouldn't go back. If you have DOS programs that you want to use,
you can probably still run them in Linux. I've used Debian and Linux in
general since about 2000 and I wouldn't call myself an expert. There is a
lot to learn.
On 3/2/2013 10:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Let me ask this simply. I hope I can go back and locate the last knight
here, who was providing amazing wisdom on media options with Linux, but for
now let me see what can be learned.
I can probably help you. I regularly download podcasts and record streams.
I have a debian box here, using squeeze. I have no intention of upgrading to
wheezy any time soon...this one is bad enough lol.
Unless you have a hardware synthesizer, you should consider upgrading at
some point. For now, Squeeze is still the official, supported stable
release and it's a good option, but eventually it will no longer be
supported after Wheezy is released.
While I remain deeply thankful to the person who basically put squeeze on a
hard drive and sent it to me, the disadvantage is this.
I have no idea what I have, and I have no simply way of learning what I have.
Run the following command:
dpkg -l
That lists all of the installed packages. There are probably quite a lot of
them. You can safely disregard the libraries for now. There are other ways
of looking at your installed packages, but let's keep it simple for now.
My frustration is that there is no, or not that I can find simple single
basic Linux source book.
Actually, there are several. If you have a Bookshare subscription, look
there as I've seen quite a few. Even if you don't, Debian itself has a
pretty comprehensive set of documentation.
something like the old windows for dummies books. I do not mean
documentation built into the os itself. That assumes you already now the
basics of the os.
If there is such a source, please direct me to that source.
Nor do I mean a tutorial program. That mode of learning forgets some human
fundamentals. All people learn individually. To generalize what a person
needs to know, usually written from the abilities of the person doing the
tutorial is not a firm way either in my view.
http://www.debian.org/doc/
This is what makes hands on training so special. Those in class get the
uniform basis, but a teacher can speak to the individual needs of the
student before them.
You could look at cucat.org which seems to have an intro to Linux course.
There are also many beginner Linux podcasts. I assembled several of them
for someone else. Contact me privately if you want me to send them to you.
Personally? I learn best with someone sitting physically with me doing the
teaching. Linux can have rather the learning curve for some...if not
individualized.
i would pay for that sort of training gladly.
and if I can find someone brave enough with a local Linux users group, if I
can find that at all, I may see how well they do at learning how to use the
screen reader plus Linux together to train me.
I can offer some training. I primarily offer support by email, but I can
try to work with you and answer some of your basic questions. I might be
able to offer some interactive training as well via the phone, depending on
your availability. I offer a Linux help and support service for $99 per
year. All support is done by email to keep costs down and all support is
individualized for your needs. Interactive support, such as telephone and
ssh is billed at $15 per hour with a two hour minimum.
The speakup manual i have references keys I cannot even find on the keyboard
due to the names given them.
Can you give an example?
and there is simply too little basic guide information on Linux in general
that I can find.
Oh, there is lots of documentation out there. If in doubt, you can ask
almost anything of Google and it should find something. As you say, the
problem is that it isn't all in one place. However, there is the Debian
Handbook which is very complete. http://www.debian-handbook.info/
How much can one accomplish using the equivalent of .bat file work in Linux?
A lot more than in DOS. Can you give an example of what you want to do?
I have already decided that what I will be able to do with this machine may
be confined to one or two functions only, media that I cannot access others,
and extra word processing, assuming the Linux edition of wordperfect I have
can be incorporated into debian.
No, it isn't accessible. You would have to either use an editor like Emacs
or install X Windows, Gnome and LibreOffice. Your machine can do a lot once
you learn. If you have Wordperfect for DOS, you can run it in Linux and
it's accessible.
Oh and that my printer will work lol.
Printers can be a challenge. If it works in DOS, it probably works in Linux
as well.
Using something like Ice Wiesel, the debian equal of firefox, can I manage
things with scripts prepared in advance for the effort?
What do you mean by this?
My computer is not a toy, it is a tool. I require my tools to function
efficiently without having to rebuild them once a day. part of why I never
went to windows. the risks was just too great for me professionally.
If I cannot learn Linux as I learned dos, by which I mean sit in the same
room with a person, learn how to do some basic tasks and where to go for
help, then I must work around what I do not now.
that might? mean using scripting for those basic tasks, if those can be
created then edited to plug in the ever changing locations.
Thoughts?
Karen
Debian itself is generally very stable, even if you run testing. I totally
understand that you don't want to fight with your machine. Squeeze is very
stable and shouldn't require much maintenance unless your drive goes bad or
something happens outside of the norm. One thing I can say about Debian
stable releases is that they're rock solid. I ran them on a business server
and never had a crash due to the packages. I don't know what you do
professionally and what kinds of scripts you need, so I can't comment on
what will be a better choice for you. I can say that not every DOS program
has an equivalent in Linux and a lot of things work very differently. If
you can use a shell account, you've already learned a lot. If you're
starting from scratch with only a DOS background, plan on a lot of trial and
error. It took me a few years before I really felt comfortable with using
Linux on an almost daily basis. If it helps, you can probably go back to
DOS if you just can't get anywhere with Linux, but please give it lots of
time and patience. You can probably do almost anything you want once you
learn the basics. linux is very powerful and has a lot of tools. There are
books just on shell scripting, for example. For now, let's just take a
small step at a time and start with the basics. I hope you'll take
advantage of my support services.
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