Bruce, I agree with you in part, but there are a bunch of developers here and in other places who are blind who will not mighrate to the apple forums at least not right away. There are also a lot of potential end users who are blind who at least at first and maybe never will use the apple forums. Free lists is easy to run and Contributions to it by the list owner or either known or disguised can have just as much impact in that community. I wonder how easy it is for someone using lynx or pine or mail for that matter on linux to access these notes? I do most if not all of my corresponding by pop mail unless I am forced to do other wise because It takes a lot of time and energy to do all that checking of this or that web forum. News groups are an option, but I have found that most of the ones I have consumed are full of spam. While we are at it, yahoo groups even if you opt out of all the stuff they want to throw at you will still allow spam to get to your mail box in one way or another so rather than throw elaborate spam filtering, I just do not frequent them or other managed groups that have been found to spew spam. I recieve no spam as a result of my freelists accounts. If we start groups and then we find that there are active groups that would serve better, it's not that hard to migrate. -- Johnnie Apple Seed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bailey, Bruce" <Bruce.Bailey@xxxxxx> To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: RE: OT: Is there a list for blind Mac users and programmers? I have made the case that developers will automatically gravitate to their familiar channels, most likely at one of the Apple sponsored lists. Do you find fault with my reasoning? If not, volunteering to host a site is not logical. On the other hand, history is full of examples of unreasonable things being accomplished by irrational people. If you have the time, energy, and resources to spare, well, best of luck to you! The natural web space for VO end-users is harder to predict. It may not be as glamorous, but I still think you would be helping the most people by becoming active on one of the sub-forums at CTG or the Apple consumer end-user discussion lists. Learning a new site is certainly less work than administering a new one. An established site will automatically get you initial traffic. Your advertising will generate the same traffic largely regardless of where you are doing the work. Likewise, your long term success will be dependent on the value you add as a frequent contributor, not the back-end bulletin board software! -----Original Message----- From: blinux-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx on behalf of david poehlman If we can get over the post fix issue, freelists is a good choice. I'd be happy to host it but think we might need two of them, one for the technically driven and one for the not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list