interesting. While I will bee using an external hard drive plugged into a laptop or a desktop system, much of my work will bee done from a windows system through putty security to a cs fedora 1 server on the university network, and with the cygwin layer, which i am currently downloading. The packages some are big. Unless you want to develop don't get the source. People say its 8gb, I think most of that is source. At 06:39 a.m. 1/03/2005, you wrote: >The accessibility through remote may be from windows, but since windows is >not serving it up except through special calls, we are actually using what >is provided on the host. > >Johnnie Apple Seed >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:21 PM >Subject: Re: Solaris 10 released,with accessibility built-in! Also FreeTTS >1.2 released. (fwd) > > >Hi. > >On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 11:55:15AM -0800, Peter Korn wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> I am from Sun, so I don't qualify as the "non-Sun" person you are seeking. >> I also am sighted, so perhaps don't qualify as a sufficient authority by >> that measure. However, I may have some useful information, so I'll chime >> in... >> >> >> The priority for our first release, as informed by the letter of the rules >> in Section 508, was a usable, accessible desktop for end-users. This >> specifically meant that for the first release, accessible installation was >> a "nice to have", not a "must have". Solaris, unlike Linux, doesn't have >> a >> notion of virtual text consoles in which you can run Speakup or BrlTTY. >> You can run BrlTTY on Solaris (we have been shipping them on the Solaris >> Companion CD for a little while now), but it doesn't run at as low a level >> in Solaris as they do in Linux. See >> http://blogs.sun.com/roller/search/richb?q=Companion&c= for a blog entry >> from Rich Burridge on the contents of the Solaris Companion CD. >> >> GUI accessibility in Solaris 10 is very likely better than what most folks >> in the community have experienced. This isn't because we've "held stuff >> back", or "added secret sauce". Rather it is becaus there are a *lot* of >> components to put together to make this all work, and we've been building >> and testing the particular collection of versions for a while now in both >> Solaris and our upcoming Java Desktop System release 3 for Linux. Many of >> the problems folks have encountered are due in part to older, or >> mis-matched versions of things. Web browsing in particular is significant >> better using the Sun Mozilla branch (we've gotten about half of our >> accessibility patches put back to Mozilla trunk, with more going in every >> week; but the most accessible Mozilla on UNIX remains our branch, which is >> what we ship in Solaris 10). >> > >Are you still forced to read a web page line by line? If so, anyone >using speech for output will take much longer than they would with >lynx in a text console. Even on pages that work well with Mozilla, I >find it much faster to read the page with lynx. > >> So Solaris 10 is probably "beyond what is available in Linux" from the >> point of view of what most people have put together in Linux. But >> strictly >> speaking, *everything* we've done in Solaris 10 is "available" in Linux - >> you just have to do a bunch of work to put it together (and of course, >> that >> work is part of the value of going to a commercial, supported, UNIX distro >> and why many folks will pay Sun $50 for the retail edition of the Sun Java >> Desktop System). >> >> But... I wouldn't say that the shipping Solaris 10 is dramatically beyond >> what many have experienced on their own with Linux. Perhaps others will >> disagree - I've spent very little time trying to roll my own stuff on top >> of Debian or Fedora or what-have-you. Even so, this is a *first* release. >> Compared to outSPOKEN 1.0, or JAWS 1.0, I think this is far superior, and >> far more functional. And I personally know a number of folks who were >> pretty successful with outSPOKEN 1.0 (and especially outSPOKEN 1.1). And >> certainly compared to the built-in GUI access options on Windows, there is >> no question as to how much more functional Solaris 10 is. But we >> certainly >> have a good distance to go before we can rival JAWS 5.x, or ZoomText 8.x, >> or... And a user who is very comfortable and productive in the Linux >> console will probably find they prefer that environment - at least for >> many/most things. One blind user data-point to counter that: someone on >> one of the GNOME accessibility mailing lists said he has moved over to >> Gnopernicus and Mozilla exclusively for web browsing now, and no longer >> uses lynx. As they say, your mileage may vary... >> >I agree Gnome accessibility is better than what I had in Windows 3.11 >and JFW 2.0 back in 1996. I have switch to using Gnome for all my multi >media playback. Totem rocks! > >I find some types of file management are easier in nautilus than >they would be using wild cards in a terminal. I've also noticed I >usually have few problems with accessibility when I try a new gtk 2 app. >I have my system configured to boot to a gdm login and I always keep a >Gnome session running in addition to text consoles. >However, I still don't think it is possible for a blind person using >speech output to be productive using only Gnome and Gnopernicus. >I know that will eventually change, but it isn't there yet. > >You should be aware the person whoclames to be using Gnopernicus >and Mozilla instead of Lynx spends very little time running Linux. >Based on his mail headers and earlier posts from him, he spends >most of his time in MS Windows. I believe he uses Windows for his job, >so his Linux experience is only for short times on limited occasions. > >For accessibility purposes, I don't believe controlling a Linux box from >a Windows counts as Linux experience. True you know Unix commands, but >the accessibility is still from Windows. > > > Kenny > >_______________________________________________ > >Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >_______________________________________________ > >Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list