Lee, Janina and others: Lee wrote: Do you remember where the HowTo came from? Yes, it came from a pointer on the linux-speakup home page. Lee wrote: Perhaps if it's anything Janina has control over she can get rid of the obsolete one. Apparently it is something she has control over and she has already changed the URL. Seems she updated the web site on Sunday. Thanks for that update Janina. Lee wrote: If the entire Fedora distribution came from pointers in that old HowTo, though, it should be internally consistent so presumably isn't the cause of the swap partition hang(???) I downloaded the yarrow images from the speakup site so I agree with you that it shouldn't have mattered. I also have already reread the howto. The images on the web site have changed ... They're now dated 5/17/2004 which is obviously later than any images I could have downloaded last week. So I'm in the process of downloading again and I'll reburn and retest. Seems that without creating the initrd I failed to include speakup in my *real* bootable system. That's annoying, but not catastrophic. I verified the hang where linux attempted to enable the swap space using the optacon. I wonder if firstboot is attempting to do something graphical but it isn't happening due to something weird with my video card. I don't think this is the case because I tried switching consoles and that seemed to do something though all I could see on the screen was a blinking cursor and I couldn't get a login prompt. That behavior seems to differ from the description of how bad life will be if firstboot runs that's in the installation hoto which reads, "Unfortunately, FirstBoot launches before any consoles launch, so there is absolutely nothing you can do as a blind user once FirstBoot is running either to work with FirstBoot or to get out of it." Lee wrote: Note also that the first IDE hard disk is HDA; I assume HAD was just a typo. Hmm, it wasn't a typo, it was an outlooko (if that's the proper term for what happens when you type hda and Microsoft, thinking they know best, decides you made a typo so they rearrange the letters to had (which is a real word even if it isn't a valid unix device <grin>. Janina wrote: You really should take Bill Acker up on his offer of tech support by telephone--just like the HOWTO says. Let's get you working. Perhaps I will, but I'd like to make at least one more attempt to get this right before bugging the guy. If the errors are mine, due to reading wrong documents or something I can fix easily on my own, I'd rather save the tech support for when I have real problems. For instance, I noticed the installaiton howto not only doesn't talk about how to get gnopernicus working, but doesn't point one in a direction where such information is available. If I can't find such information, I'll be bugging people for help again <grin>. John _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list