He was such a nice guy, I didn't want to bother him anymore <grin> -----Original Message----- From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:29 PM To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: debian install help please Ah, you're on an ancient computer? Call the same tech support you were using awhile back. Call him by telephone again. He'll help you get this figured out, if it can be figured out. michael malver writes: > From: "michael malver" <mmalver@visi.com> > > I did go back to redhat. The reason for my wanting to switch to debian is > that my non-list help here in minneapolis all run debian. > I needed something called pnptools which redhat doesn't seem to have as part > of its distro, but which debian did. > I am having trouble getting sound to work under redhat, and the linux sound > how to says to run these pnptoons. > Do you know where to get them? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:46 PM > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: debian install help please > > > OK. I understand now. > > So, if Red Hat worked and Debian doesn't, why not go back to Red Hat? > > Your call, of course. > michael malver writes: > > From: "michael malver" <mmalver@visi.com> > > > > I can't issue man page commands because I have no linux system to log > into. > > Imagine that I'm installing debian for the first time on a system which > can > > hold linux, but whose hard drive has no data. That is where I'm am > > currently. > > The debian install disks supposedly will support my 3c509 network card, > but > > for some reason, I can't get out onto my network using these install > disks. > > I can't seem to find anything in the install doc that would tell me how to > > explicitly tell the install program I have a 3com 3c509 isa card on irq3 > > The router I'm connected to does supply dhcp, and I know the card and hub > > are okay because they worked under redhat once I enabled them in the > > modules.conf file. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > > [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:01 PM > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Re: debian install help please > > > > > > michael malver writes: > > > > > > I don't know what would happen if you issued the comands you referenced > in > > > the below message. > > You get onscreen reports. These tell you things thaat people here need > > to know in order to give you useful guidance. > > > > > > > > I boot with the linux floppies. I formatted all my linux partitions > > because > > > I didn't want any of the data from redhat to interfeer with debian, and > I > > > didn't feel comfortable with the process they outlined in the install > doc > > > for modifying a different distro to become debian. > > These commaands have nothing to do with any particulaar distribution of > > Linux. They're quite generic. Have you read any of the HOWTOs about > > networking? > > > > And, you could answer this question for yourself by pulling up the maan > > paaage for each of the commands I suggested. Don't know what lsmod does? > > Type 'man lsmod' to find out, for example. > > > > > , so how would I enter these commands to determine the answers to your > > > questions? > > > > 1.) Log on as root. > > > > 2.) For each commaand, enter it as shown and note the results: > > > > > > a.) cat /etc/network/interfaces > > > > Actually, this one is Debian specific, and not Red Hat specific. Red Hat > > uses a different organizational scheme for network related data. > > > > The 'cat' command tells Linux to "print out the contents of the file" > > /etc/network/interfaces. > > > > Actually, you should probably just paste the contents of that file into > > an email message for us to see. > > > > b.) The command lsmod prints out data for every module > > loaded. So, lsmod |grep 3c would only print out those responses that hat > > '3c' in them, in other words whatever is relevant to 3COM. > > > > If you get nothing here, or the wrong something, the > > explanation for your problem becomes clear. The correct module is > > missing. > > > > c.) ifconfig -a says print out logical network data for all > > known interfaces. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > > > [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:27 PM > > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > > Subject: Re: debian install help please > > > > > > > > > Is your nic listed in /etc/network/interfaces? > > > Does it show up with lsmod? Try lsmod |grep 3c > > > How about when you type ifconfig -a?? > > > > > > michael malver writes: > > > > From: "michael malver" <mmalver@visi.com> > > > > > > > > I'm not saying debian speakup doesn't work, only that I have trouble. > > > > the disks speak, but I can't initialise the network. When I select > the > > > > 3c509 from the list of device drivers to be compiled into the kernel, > it > > > is > > > > successfuly added. Does it not try to bring up eth0 after I select > that > > > > driver? The 3c509 isa card, from what I can tell, should be recognised > > by > > > > the install disk I'm using. Do I need to edit some file to provide > > > > parameters to make it be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: blinux-list-admin@redhat.com > > > > [mailto:blinux-list-admin@redhat.com]On Behalf Of White, Matt > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:54 AM > > > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > Subject: Re: debian install help please > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been a long-time Debian fan and would be willing to test a > > > > Speakup-modified Debian install. I find that Debian is more flexible > > > > than Redhat and find the APT tool invaluable. > > > > > > > > Is there anyone else on this list willing to test Debian/Speakup? > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > Mario Lang said: > > > > > I've been told the speakup enabled woody boot-floppies dont work. > Dont > > > > > know if this information changed since then. > > > > > > > > > > "michael malver" <mmalver@visi.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > >> If I want to instal from cdrom, can I use the boot floppies to get > > > > >> the first part of the install done, and then use a woody 3.0 cd iso > > > > >> image from the debian site to do the rest, or is speakup not > > > > >> included? > > > > > > > > > > Speakup is not included with woody CD images, so you will probably > be > > > > > able to install the base-system with the CD-images and your > > > > > modified boot-floppies, but after the first initial reboot, the > system > > > > > will not talk. > > > > > > > > > > Mainly this is because no one really cared to help get speakup > > > > > properly integrated with Debian. > > > > > > > > > >> I tried reading the install document, but I'm confused. I hope I'm > > > > >> asking the proper questions. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I think you'll be quite out of luck with Woddy and > > > > > speakup. boot-floppies are a hell to modify, and its already hard > > > > > enough to get them to compile. They'll be droped in favor for > > > > > debian-installer in the next release (happy happy grin). > > > > > > > > > > The basics are there for speakup-support in future installer > releases, > > > > > but without any substantial help from speakup users (read, testing), > I > > > > > will not continue any work in this direction. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > CYa, > > > > > Mario | Debian Developer <URL:http://debian.org/> > > > > > | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org > > > > > | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list