Eli, > The files should definitely be owned, though... I suspect your issue > is due to upgrading the pacman version, resulting in some files that > could not be deleted due to not existing, but were not part of the new > package and therefore did not exist afterward either. thanks. in theory (modulo fat fingers), the only files i *removed* were ones that [pacman -Qo] said were unowned. and, *those* files were unowned post [pacman -Syu]. a time machine would help. absent that, again, i guess we'll "let that mystery be". thanks again. cheers, Greg