[EDIT: in the previous post, the phrase "snip hunt" should of course been "snipe hunt".] On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund <ranrund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Where have the the most recent versions of the "real" Beginner's Guide > been saved? And how can they be retrieved (maybe using git, for example)? > > IMHO, for new users, the "Installation Guide" is not, never has been, and > may never be a substitute for the Beginner's Guide. The Installation Guide > does not have enough detail, and many (most?) new users will not put up > with being sent on a sadistic snip hunt through the thick jungles of the > Arch Wiki, jus to do a basic console-only install. And the elinks text > browser on the install iso "just doesn't cut it". > > (Don't get me wrong - the Arch Wiki is a tremendous resource, maybe the > best resource in the GNU/Linux ecosystem. But, like Hollywood, it is no > place for children.) > > I believe this change will only serve to alienate potential new users, who > are the "life blood" of Arch, or any other organization or movement. > Without new growth, any organism risks withering on the vine. Just ask > OpenBSD. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Jelle van der Waa <jelle@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On 09/20/16 at 01:58am, David C. Rankin wrote: >> > On 09/20/2016 12:00 AM, D C via arch-general wrote: >> > >> > The beginner's guide always provided an expanded section on each topic >> in the >> > install where different cards and potential pitfalls were discussed. >> There was >> > the varying network configuration options, netctl, etc., RAID setup was >> > addressed, etc.. Now - nothing. >> >> If you look closely the information is there, for example: >> >> netctl => "Configure the network for the newly installed environment: >> see Network configuration." => >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration >> >> RAID setup => "If wanting to create any stacked block devices for LVM, >> disk encryption or RAID, do it now." => >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RAID >> >> So it's all in there, you just have to look :-) >> >> > We should consider the beginner's guide again -- it was invaluable to >> new and >> > beginner users to help them get a feel for arch. Even for those versed >> in Linux, >> > and with Arch, for the guys like me that do an install on a biennial >> basis, that >> > guide was a savior. >> > >> > Did no one want to maintain it? Why was the full beginner's guide >> deleted? >> >> This has been announced and discussed on the mailing list and irc. And >> the descision has been made to merge it into one page. >> >> The new smaller guide just links directly to the pages which contain >> detailed information without the duplication of information. >> >> -- >> Jelle van der Waa >> > >
