>> >> Hmmm... Martin, if you still have a Xorg.log it means you have a >> >> really old installation, >> >> That was true for versions under 1.16.0-3 as evidenced by the version >> comparison, but it is not true anymore, Xserver 1.17 dumps its logs to >> syslog. And syslog is trapped by journalctl. >> > > Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr No it does not this system is fully up to date . > > I use startx to start the graphical display nothing in journalctl it is > in /var/log/Xorg.0.log .... > > Sorry to disapoint and all that .. >From what I've read, it's *only* GDM that "hacks" the X server to run so that it redirects the logs to the journal. Otherwise, it'll go to the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file as ever. ps. on my two - always up-to-date - Arch installations, using lightdm and sddm X logs to /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- damjan