Hi folks . One of those i cant sort on my own i am afraid I have downloaded the nouveau-fw package run makepkg it down loads the needed files all ok but the fails completely and silently if i try to run the NVIDIA package with the --extract-only switch i get complained at that the package is intended for the x86 platform and i am using the x86_64 platform . According to the package page on the Arch site it should work help please totally stumped right now . Thanks Pete . -- Illegitimi non carborundum . ro for the purists out there Noli nothis permittere te terere.