On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Martin Zecher <mzecher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > You're a genius. Not the Mac one, of course. heh, thanks :-) > Where did you get that > info? I didn't notice any change in pam at all... why from my gigantic, bulbous brain of course! where else?! nah i just remembered looking over that update awhile back. the symptoms you described sounded like a PAM problem (running but invisible until restarted from within the session), like sessions were not being setup properly (in particular, environ vars like dbus socket address, etc). also the PAM entries for systemd were only added sometime in the last year. PAM is one of those things you don't really [need to] think about :-) so it's easy to skip over. > By the way, I > replaced /etc/pam.d/kde, kde-np, login and passwd with the > corresponding .pacnew ones and that fixed the problem. yeah that sounds about right ... nice, i'm glad it's all working for you now. > Arch's community is the best. i concur, good sir. -- C Anthony