-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/15/2012 12:51 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> > wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Karol Blazewicz >> <karol.blazewicz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my >>>> relationship with arch-general. >>> >>> What is the preferred way to contact you or other devs with >>> questions or suggestions (better wording for an announcement >>> etc.)? >> >> We don't currently have a satisfactory answer to this question. >> Hopefully a solution will present itself soon, I know people are >> discussing the problem. After all, we DO want useful feedback, >> and there IS really good feedback inbeetween all the rest. >> >> I guess important stuff should still be picked up by someone, >> alternatively you could cc the relevant dev (who e.g. wrote the >> news item, etc.). >> > You know I have been watching this really destructive war of > attrition on this list for quite some time - and it is reminiscent > of the long flame wars that occurred on the Fedora general list > that led me to unsubscribe from the Fedora list and start looking > at Arch as the distribution for my laptops. > And numerous other places. As far as I know, the problem has never been solved and has laid waste in nearly all of them, with the result that support has become harder to find. There is almost always a tension between those who know what they are doing and those who don't. In my own field, I lose patience with naves rather quickly, so I'm hardly in a position to lecture anyone about this. That said, by contrast, there are a few developers out there who seem gifted at the human relations part of this, are brilliant at the hand-holding that is sometimes needed, and I think are not so often recognized. They're also often working on ancillary projects for which there are easy alternatives rather than core stuff. Distributions, init, the kernel, even desktop environments I think fall into this latter category where replacement can mean ripping out a lot of stuff and building from scratch. Our (emphasis on the collective) failure to solve this, however, is debilitating, not only for existing users for whom support is harder to find, but in terms of attracting future users, not just to Arch but to the open source community in general. - -- David Benfell benfell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQLAoXAAoJELT202JKF+xpsugP/376qgYAavGkC4CYcU2UVRHF PbsrnM4MxGvhFdR+RdiwzVOiAZdKlS21I5C/FU2z3v+Jx60RdsqDXTJf7cZl6bmB rGhOTRgQrxx5FeNIy7cn2A0MaaeteVLTPLuEx1vN+wvFemVUG3snUkO5CWYVWH9k 64e1j2nv+BhLMc1McsRZg7SB2LPBX6Y3DwIGK3t7TAR1e8+hy8FJEkN4aqM6NjxA ca0uFUX2PIp2jCL+L0HSe7CCY8lhcNnciX1KJLQwvr1L6SfwPonVZtVq/xajeQh4 rLmipfYb5qT+sfdO1pLXOIwQ0ctuQc6fL6HTd5vSDeISSL+YjPohN+/88lj3Rtv2 nD9gqj8AkVE3crfqJlCP6VUlLRv1R7WZ8MuqOqdcnMP1XnY1Lc1UsUoxhRvvCAWP oYbj4n7PJwnYxm+eeOApan8oFyABCtuD0CYsVhl2q254ePk6dLjYoqYzoBRKMm0Z qLIU2eB7vtMjvgMlQNwliY5ozcvBvfAEdhywilyuiObYPL+0h0vAyOUXDQjaIYlX 7jZaF/fSNQc+0Rokczia1zSgkK4zseqAVfVy2GGjwuLjOEN0vQ/MRTKrhEqT1ndr AQ0nO9hB6+H+EtlUF0BiisklvqEWxBOIpIN5SJEZAr9J0+AmsYXSyHS4TtqIjDd/ NwlQuAuoVgIpPvig+7GY =MPex -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
