On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng <rainofchaos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx>: >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen <teg@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras >>> <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how >>>> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from >>>> Lennart in that G+ post. >>> >>> Without the insults, this would have been picked up on and sorted out >>> a long time ago. At least based on my experience. >> >> That's a loss for systemd, not for me. And I didn't insult anybody, >> Lennart did, so it's not my fault. >> >>>> I do read and write >>>> C everyday for probably for more than 10 years now, yet I do have >>>> trouble reading systemd's code, but that's not important, what is >>>> important is that in order to test my modifications (to add debugging >>>> for example), I would need to *recompile*. >>> >>> I'm aware that you are a professional, that's why I find your claims >>> about the difficulty of understanding/recompiling... odd. By contrast, >>> my C skills/experience are virtually nonexistent, and yet I have had >>> no problems understanding/debugging/recompiling/patching the systemd >>> code. >> >> It's not my claims, it's a fact; compiling is more complicated than >> not-compiling (one step less), and you need a compiler, and linker >> (and in some systems development packages), and sometimes deploying >> the binaries. With scripting you don't need any of that; after you are >> done editing the text (which you have to do regardless), you are done. >> >>>> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me >>>> a skeptic. >>> >>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything. >> >> You are selling a distribution. When Arch Linux stops giving the users >> what they want, the users will go for a different distribution. That's >> how distributions die; when something better is on the market for most >> of their users. > > Arch is always give user's their options they want. > > You can use initscript, even if systemd is the default just like I can > use systemd now when initscript is the default. Switch from one to > another is very easy. So use systemd as default does not means you > can not use initscript. This is not what I've been reading on the mailing list. People want to get rid of initscripts, as maintaining both would be a "burden", and certain projects behave differently with or without systemd (wedge strategy). -- Felipe Contreras
