David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]: > What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has > been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I > think it is possible to like one and not the other. Indeed. The heated discussion about systemd actually had the effect that I gave it a whirl to find out for myself what the fuss is all about, and I must say that I quite like it so far, while I find pulseaudio is an abysmal piece of software. So I think your point is a good one. On the other hand, in my mind, pulseaudio has quite some bearing on the discussion about systemd. There have been endless complaints about this and that piece of hardware not working well with pulseaudio, and I myself never got my mic to work properly with pulseaudio and recently started to experience serious audio delays when playing sound through pulseaudio. Yet, Poettering's response to these kinds of complaints are usually completely dismissive: it's ALSA's fault, your hardware isn't working properly, etc, in spite of everything working flawlessly when pulseaudio doesn't get in the way. So, to me the problem with systemd is not so much that I am afraid of changing to a new init system - I am not - it's the author. What if somewhere down the road things start to go wrong with systemd? Is Poettering's response going to be again that systemd is perfect and it's some other part of my system that's causing systemd to misbehave? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Cheers, Norbert
