There's a beginner's guide which is not terse too. I probably managed to get arch installed with it but it isn't verbal yet. The older tactic of adding speakup and speakup_soft to MODULES line in /etc/rc.conf and alsa and espeakup to DAEMONS line in /etc/rc.conf then running grub-install and having it download and install packages and add them into the system I suppose ultimately in grub.cfg worked better than using pacstrap pacstrap /mnt base base-devel alsa-utils espeakup grub-bios sems to work. Arch when it could install was verbal then. I used grub-bios on an amd64 k8 athelon computer rather than efi-bios I hope that was correct. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware eventually fails; software eventually works, no amount of band width can fix poor design Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>