-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/28/2012 02:20 PM, Menachem Moystoviz wrote: > > In sum, systemd offers some benefits that are covered by other > programs and patches, while drawing much controversy and exacting a > toll which seems a bit too large in the eyes of some users. For > this reason, while we should add compatibility for systemd, we > shouldn't force it down the users throats. > Having just survived the conversion to systemd, I would offer a few comments: 1) I learned stuff on this list that didn't seem to have been available in the documentation. And I still don't feel I really have a mastery of systemd service files. My feeling is that the man pages and the wiki could probably use more work. 2) It looks to me like there is some ugliness on logging. The Arch wiki suggests a change to the syslog-ng configuration file so that syslog-ng can work with the systemd journal. The trouble I'm having with that is that--these are the examples I know about--apache2 and postfix do not seem willing to log in a way that the systemd journal can pick up; these daemons apparently will only log through the traditional syslog-ng channel, and are not compatible with the new socket. I actually kind of like journalctl (it has a -f option so you can monitor it like you used to be able to do with tail -f /var/log/everything.log), but you really now have to do multiple commands to get everything that everything.log used to get. 3) The conversion to systemd was mostly a lot of work. It wasn't rocket science, though as noted above, I still don't feel I fully understand what's going on. Many, many packages, especially in the AUR, do not yet have service files. This leads me to suspect that there is at least as much angst among package maintainers about all this as we've seen on this list. - -- David Benfell benfell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQFMgoAAoJELT202JKF+xplvYQAI6DcviIC2y69t2uhXmadn9X 2XYX+2YHbnM4OnAU2ysdj67bgcN2vKDQiT8GrAb+JQOphx8P0Y4NefkC1fMZUpzy f8EMOIzRaHjfOJ4RKjM+eT9hM3Kg3qlroI9hIcEZM59UnCRMLL1qa8RMY58Bj0lV oOBa4Y2MAi7wNJ0ZlLDnQEFGMNhME9sWaGXYV+VRgzjVUaxAz0/MetJum+Wz5YFv QAHyOgSl14UeB1AeenMxZrS0SDSTVvLofXJRCkus5TqvJFJ9cEakHz2RNvN1Tyft yEW/8vgPSFz160GOvGXVxmqSh0SrYWLUGhRWQ1dLd1j4PI6dB85Sh1u1Z8jVx7Z/ 286o4HBvQHkSMALLDxmgdaltuxlKlOwEn/ZEkUB3tZHXWl3/WD8OtZ/EulUgl/DB vOxWHFWFyt4MKU1tHqwP+UTqKI01y515+uARYmih7vQ2JsXyOXhd76nkgm13M7Pp dTuYlQa9AKOQmyRKsMpYMqerdyo1wYflr8ZgE3vOjjCFFYYYOLXq8jePUcepivvv vdf7Gk2GGHoZrNrBdd82SOaVRKMyKdKEJT5TB1rPf+eiQ3LHdxkJhHNsr9s59cux oxo+CI/bM6Vn0HR4c1Q326aG/7gs0GQd4D6nx9uAhUhI2SDxxLVpitTPGLRjo51j BJesYdSnVPX0cMbj4L3I =+xYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
