I am surprised no one sees what can of worms this might open. There's a lot of countries whose names are contested, and sometimes the naming will cause emotional reactions by more than one side - take the small nation north of Greece, *commonly* (but not officially) known as Macedonia, or Yao Wei's example of Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela vs. Venezuela. If the Arch developers/community are willing to take there time and discuss every contested name, so be it, but I suspect it might have a negative effect on the core business of a Linux distribution. On 02/07/12 09:20, Zero Cho wrote: > Devon, > > Thanks for your support. You're right. This is not intended to be a > political debate, so I have been using a neutral word, Taiwan, rather than > other more official but sensitive, less common name. It's the fact that ISO > is not reflecting how most of the world see it. ISO does not have authority > over the country name. ISO does not obligate to reflect how world seesBut > things too. I'm not asking for special treatments. I'm just asking you to > follow the convention created from previous experience to prevent the > misunderstanding and debates. > > I want to point out one thing. I will be willing to bring this to the > upstream project. However, if the upstream project is unwilling to make the > changes and maybe suggest us to fork a new project instead. The choice of > using the which plugin will fall back to the ArchLinux community. The whole > debate will go through again. This is not something just my imagination. > This is a real story happened in Rails(Ruby's counterparts of django) > community where Rails split out country list as a separate project and > people do fork to provide a better version. > > Dear all ArchLinux developers, please think it through again. Thanks. If > possible, use Devon's suggestion. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Devon Sawatzky" <s4wa7z@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > *Sent:* July 2, 2012 1:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [arch-general] Country Name (ISO-3116) Issues > > As Gaetan pointed out, it is not the job of Linux distribution maintainers > to decide country names. But it seems to me this whole issue is not really > about deciding what to name a country as that decision has already been > made by many. The fact is simply that the data being used does not > accurately reflect the world as most see it today. > > If this is not the case and this is in fact a political debate, then I am > wrong, but it appears to me this is a technical debate about whether it is > the responsibility of Arch, or someone else to implement the change. I > would like to suggest that this is a fairly trivial change, so whether Arch > "is supposed to" change the name is irrelevant. The fact remains that, > regardless of whether they are obligated to change it or not, it is an easy > thing to do that would be very positive for a lot of people. A good > solution it seems would be to implement a temporary workaround and apply > pressure upstream for a permanent fix using the weight of Arch's influence. > > Devon > > Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Myra Nelson wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Allan McRae wrote: >>>> I have found a solution. All mirrors in countries with disputed names >>>> are just removed from the official mirrorlist. >>> >>> I believe servers south of the Mason-Dixon line should be listed under >>> the country name "Confederate States of America". Under this new >>> solution, I propose removing USA servers south of the Mason-Dixon line >>> from the mirrorlist. >>> >>> --Andrew Hills >> >> A little more bikeshed. >> >> I propose all servers not located in the Republic of Texas be removed >> from the mirrorlist. Oh yeah the rest of y'all call us a state now. >> >> Myra >> >> -- >> Life's fun when your sick and psychotic! >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get the best selection of cheap sites here. Click Here to check them out! > http://click.lavabit.com/ihrwwxzthobyrr8o77ika6ye54xwa44p9hjjrkc1doatko6sx84b/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >
