On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 18:13 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Jan 29, 2012 5:46 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 07:22 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > > > On Jan 29, 2012 3:29 AM, "Tom Gundersen" <teg@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > > > <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 18:30 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > > > >> For what it's worth, PA and Jack have a protocol to peacefully > > > > >> coexist. So, if you use Jack, even if PA is installed and > running, PA > > > > >> will move out of the way and everything should "just work". > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I can't be quiet, because this isn't true. > > > > > > > > It should be possible, though I don't use Jack, so this is all I know: > > > > > > > > <http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/JackDbusPackaging> > > > > > > > > -t > > > It is true, using jack 2 and pulse. Lots of hear say and too little > actual > > > knowledge in these sort of threads... "Alsa works perfectly for me, > pulse > > > doesn't, it sucks and its maintainer has a secret agenda against all > Linux > > > pros...." > > > > Are you a professional audio engineer using Linux audio? You're using > > Jack DBus? For what kind of productions? What setup do you use? > > > > Even if Jack DBus should be ok for my needs, it's uneconomic to switch > > back from familiar setup. > > No I am not, if I was I'd be ashamed to be criticizing a project without > first getting my facts right. > > > > A lot of people need to switch from GNOME to Xfce, not because of PA, > > since PA easily can be replaced by a dummy package, but because of other > > bad changes. You can't do such hard changes of the work flow in a > > professional environment from one day to the other, when several people > > are involved. > > > > FWIW I'm jobless at the moment, but my life career is audio and video > > engineer for around 30 years, from small studios to world famous > > companies. I might have less knowledge about Linux, but I know about > > professional audio work flow. > > Yes, why not generalize when a specific example is debunked? I'm sure all > Linux installs MUST be ready to use out of the box for professional audio > users. after all, the same is true for the other operating systems. > > > > Comments like you makes a majority of engineers use Apple and Windows > > for pro-audio, while Linux would be the better choice, if there wouldn't > > be such issues and comments like yours. > > No one here has claimed Linux to be the better choice (opinion) because > systems are tools, not ideologies. Linux comes with disadvantages and > advantages, in the case of audio you have choice (just like you can replace > coreaudio on Macs, right), which comes at the cost of having to actually > maintain your system and not expecting it to always work the same way. > > Just use windows and Apple already, Linux's pro audio is Jack, it is NOT > ootb friendly (that's why is "pro"), and pulse does not change that. You're > just looking for something to rant about related to Lennart, I think. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ralf > > I never said anything against Lennart. I don't know him, I even didn't know that he has to do with PA, before Heiko or who ever it was has written about him. Why this assumption? Again, I never rant against Lennart! Quote any rant I have done! I claim that Linux is the best choice to go for pro-audio. Where didn't I get the facts right? Again: Do you know about problems when using Jack DBus? Have you ever used it? You might search the LAD and LAU archives before you claim, that I don't get the facts right. Regards, Ralf
