Hi all just a quick one this time hopefully :-) .. (he says) where is the best place to put " xset -dpms" i do not want anything telling me when to turn the monitors off when i want them off i will turn them off At the moment the method i am using to start kde up is come up in init 3 login as root then run kdm and login as my normal user . I am going in that way as i still have a few Motherboard problems here cant replace it till next month Cheers Pete . -- Powered by Kernel: 3.1.9-2-ARCH KDE Development Platform: 4.7.4 (4.7.4) 10:11:51 up 2:21, 5 users, load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.18