On 01/03/2012 07:25 PM, Jonathan Vasquez wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng<ngoonee.talk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez
<jvasquez1011@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are
newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have
willingness and determination to learn, that is the important thing.
The resources are out there, people just need to look, and I'm willing
to add to those resources.
You aren't adding anything beneficial by telling others that their
comments are equal to troll statements, when this is clearly not true.
Attracting users to Arch is not a stated goal, this has been repeated
many times in various fora. Arch is only for a certain type of users,
those who are willing and able to learn.
I'm not knocking your effort, but a quick glance at those resources
you've provided indicate that you're trying to make it very easy to
get to using Arch, and I don't think that's beneficial for Arch or its
community. There are other distributions for 'easy-to-use', Arch
should not be that. Not because of any type of elitism, but because
Arch's niche is about control and simplicity, and making it
'newbie-friendly' (whatever that means) would compromise that.
Splitting the thread (sorry I use gmail, so it won't split for you
guys on mutt or whatever) to reduce the 'corruption' of original
thread, not that I think it'll make a difference though.
You are misunderstanding my goals and what I've said.
I said that I'm trying to help people find and use Arch. Whether they
are expert users from other distros, or they are Noobies who are
"willing to read documentation". If a person is a noob, that doesn't
mean that they can't use Arch, they just have to be motivated
individuals who are willing to seek and learn for themselves. I am
facilitating resources, documentations, etc, to lower the barrier to
entry, while at the same time giving information that is in the
documentation, in a video form.
So we completely agree, the point of Arch, and us, isn't to just go
around and find noobies that don't want to learn for themselves but
want others to do the work for them, but to find people that are
willing to learn, seek for themselves, and contribute back to the
community. This does not segregate "Noobs who want others to do things
for them", "Noobs who are willing to be independent and learn for
themselves", and "Expert users from other Distros who want to learn
how to use Arch".
Me being one of these Arch n00bs what attracted to me was the RTFM type
of attitude before you ask something it should be about reading and
educating ones self first before asking questions. It took me a few days
to understand installing things properly and only posting one question
to these boards about a miss understanding I had. Which I though the
responses I got were great and quickly made me grasp my failure to. I
learned a little more about the hooks statement that was made, but I do
have to agree that if others are not allowed to contribute they have the
same issues with a posting to the boards, then things may lag in finding
a common cause that may not be obvious on the one single system. Am I
way off thinking such a thing here?
I also still don't see how his comments were Troll like at all. Maybe
that's my n00b thinking in things. Elitism is one thing, but arrogance
is childish and VERY common on most message boards in the Linux world. I
value and understand Elitism, but throw in arrogance and its just a
pissing match being started in my opinion. Just my worthless .02 :)
Cheers people its a New Year, don't forget that :)
