On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Jonathan Vasquez <jvasquez1011@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Vasquez >> <jvasquez1011@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> I've been doing things to attract users to Arch. Whether they are >>> newbs or not, because I want people to learn. As long as you have >>> willingness and determination to learn, that is the important thing. >>> The resources are out there, people just need to look, and I'm willing >>> to add to those resources. >>> >>> You aren't adding anything beneficial by telling others that their >>> comments are equal to troll statements, when this is clearly not true. >> >> Attracting users to Arch is not a stated goal, this has been repeated >> many times in various fora. Arch is only for a certain type of users, >> those who are willing and able to learn. >> >> I'm not knocking your effort, but a quick glance at those resources >> you've provided indicate that you're trying to make it very easy to >> get to using Arch, and I don't think that's beneficial for Arch or its >> community. There are other distributions for 'easy-to-use', Arch >> should not be that. Not because of any type of elitism, but because >> Arch's niche is about control and simplicity, and making it >> 'newbie-friendly' (whatever that means) would compromise that. >> >> Splitting the thread (sorry I use gmail, so it won't split for you >> guys on mutt or whatever) to reduce the 'corruption' of original >> thread, not that I think it'll make a difference though. > > You are misunderstanding my goals and what I've said. > > I said that I'm trying to help people find and use Arch. Whether they > are expert users from other distros, or they are Noobies who are > "willing to read documentation". If a person is a noob, that doesn't > mean that they can't use Arch, they just have to be motivated > individuals who are willing to seek and learn for themselves. I am > facilitating resources, documentations, etc, to lower the barrier to > entry, while at the same time giving information that is in the > documentation, in a video form. > > So we completely agree, the point of Arch, and us, isn't to just go > around and find noobies that don't want to learn for themselves but > want others to do the work for them, but to find people that are > willing to learn, seek for themselves, and contribute back to the > community. This does not segregate "Noobs who want others to do things > for them", "Noobs who are willing to be independent and learn for > themselves", and "Expert users from other Distros who want to learn > how to use Arch". > > -- > Jonathan Vasquez BTW, If you watch the series I made today to help people who are willing to learn come and try Arch, I've explicitly explained the Arch goals, and who it is and isn't for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVx0xOO5tqg @ 1:30. -- Jonathan Vasquez
