On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Ralf Madorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > [...] what would be the difference [...] For Debian I [...] Ralf ... your thread has managed to generate 65+ responses in 24 hours -- yet you have not actually encountered a problem, nor produced anything concrete to work with -- and thus far you've only provided conjectures regarding PulseAudio, and vagaries surrounding your vision of an ideal/niche setup. last night i would have been the first to reply to your message, as i was attempting to curtail the resultant flood i knew would undoubtedly ensue, (alas, writing a page of text on a mobile takes forever) ... i provided all the details needed to understand the decisions made, as many others subsequently did ... one way or another. to reiterate, packages that *can* use PA will pull in libpulse to satisfy those of us that *want* to use what has become a fine sound server. if a package *needs* PA to function _as intended upstream_, it will pull pulseaudio. GDM is the latter. if you do not like this, simply use a different login manager -- problem solved -- or take to fight to the next level, which is far from here. you're comments RE:PA appear to be from 3rd party information, possibly years outdated, as you have not provided any indication suggesting you've encountered an issue, first-hand, ascribable to PulseAudio . methinks if you scan your system, you will likely find oodles of "stuff" you "don't need" ... package managers are limited in flexibility, and thus can only provide coarse/best-guess dependency resolutions. the decisions made by Arch developers provide you maximum flexibility, within said limits, and are likely beyond what several other distros would afford you. i thoroughly recommend immediately and permanently terminating this line of conversation, and returning when you have encountered a _concrete_ problem by which PulseAudio is [seemingly] causing an immediate, and diagnosable, issue, and you are unable to solve it via the usuals (eg. wiki, bbs, GOOG) ... else, i suspect your ability to procure future solutions from this list, and your peers, will be hampered by the impression being formed right now. take it or leave it :-) -- C Anthony