On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Vic Demuzere <vic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Jul 7, 2011 10:26 PM, "Ionut Biru" <ibiru@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> everything you said above is plain wrong. EVERYTHING go read the wiki or > use gnome manuals >> >> 1) you can set up nautilus to manage your desktop (use gnome-tweak-tool if > you are not skilled enough) >> 2) alt+right click doh, is specified all over the internet at this point, > not only in the manual >> 3) see 1 and system settings->keyboard->shortcuts >> >> >> Can you please spare us and start discovering? Is not that hard to open a > manual or search on google >> > > That's what I thought, but I have never used fallback mode so I don't know > how usable it is. I do know some non-geek end users who actually like gnome > 3 shell, though. > > I think it's a better idea to spend your time on improving fallback mode in > gnome 3, than spending it on maintaining outdated software. indeed. i personally find gnome3 to be incredibly intuitive to use, and minus the first week or so tweaking to my needs i am rather productive at this point -- though i'm def in power/super/awesome/better-than-you/geek-to-the-max user group, and spend most time in a term/vim/tmux/browser anyways ... ... but on that note, my partner/fiancé definitely does not. she is the embodiment of an "anti-user" ... an aspiring art-therapist that *hates* computers and will use paper/non-digital for everything unless external forces imposes otherwise (how we work at all together is a great mystery :-). she didn't even own a computer until college @ ~20yrs old, and prior to that had very little exposure via the minimum required at school. frankly, even the most basic UX assumptions potentially confuse her; while very intelligent, some people just don't have the "expected exposure" required in today's environment. ... anyways, the moral of the story is she loves gnome3 and finds it totally make sense; she had no trouble finding her way around the activities UI layout, and she does not use key-bindings at all (just click "Activities" or move mouse to top-left). she even says she *likes* it, which is the only time i've ever heard her speak of a computer like that in years :-) ... i think the only thing i did was reinstate the icons on her desktop, even though it can have some odd consequences. over the years i've tried compiz/gnome2/kde/xfce/.../... ie. slews of DE's and WM's, tweaked to the max, and nothing has even come close to gnome3 success with her. sooooo, while gnome3 does have plenty to improve on, and 3.2 might be a better transition target, IMO it's done very well, and your clients deserve a chance to demonstrate just how competent they can be (even if they seem totally n00b, and believe me, i know what that is ;-) C Anthony