Guys, I need some help figuring out where to start in trying to keep kde4 from loading most of kde3 when kde4 is launched from the kdm chooser. A picture is worth 1000 words: [109k] (800x600) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/ArchLinux_kde3+kde4.800.jpg (full res 264k 1280x800) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/ArchLinux_kde3+kde4.jpg In the screenshot, kde (kde4) was launched from the kde4 kdm. The background is the kde4 background. Both the kde3 kicker and kde4 plasma-panel loaded (and are both fully operational) at the bottom of the screen. Launching apps or system settings the panels, properly loads the corresponding kde3/kde4 app. The plasma-desktop has loaded and the kde4 "Desktop Folder is present". The kde4 window decorations are present, but if you rt-click on the desktop, you get the kdemod context menus and all kdemod apps are in the default Domino style. What I'm trying to do is narrow down why this happens on Arch and so we can fix it. I'm guessing this probably happens when kde4-kdelibs or kde4-kdebase gets built and installed, but that is just a guess. This seems to be a packaging issue because it doesn't happen with other distros that have both kde4 and kde3 installed together. It doesn't happen in reverse either with kdemod3 based on Trinity. Loading the updated kdemod3 doesn't load the kde4 panel, but kde4 does load the kde3 panel. Anybody familiar with this issue on Arch and how it might be solved? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.