On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Kaiting Chen <kaitocracy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony@xxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> the benefit to the pyjs approach is 100% client side operation, so it >> can run without online access. additionally, the python-DOM version >> (or the pyjs version if proxying thru a local daemon) could >> potentially direct install from the website, leading to "install now" >> functionality. lastly, python means you could use the same lang to >> write the front end and the backend, and communicate using JSON >> messages. >> >> as a professional web applications developer by day, i can vouch that >> writing webapps requires knowledge of about 4 different haphazardly >> implemented "standards", requiring far to much painfully acquired >> knowledge. by using a library like pyjamas, you allow anyone with >> python experience to write incredibly functional plugins/modules, and >> share maintenance load. django is a great platform, but after i >> discovered pyjamas about 1yr ago, i haven't looked back, and am >> convinced that compiler technology is the only sane way to develop >> complex and maintainable web-based applications. > > Out of curiosity why is everyone so again just writing Javascript? Everyone > seems to want to write in some other language and then compile to Javascript > these days. --Kaiting. well for me at least, it not 100% related to javascript itself; JS is an incredibly powerful language that will let you hang yourself again and again :-) primarily, it's: ) JS is completely unstructured. powerful, but causes developers to implement many things that would be a part of the core syntax in other langs ) the ^^^^ causes many different impls of the same, and new devs to misuse the really great things about JS, like first-class closures. leads to absolutely obtuse and horrendous looking libraries, with weird semantics for its usage, like passing objects to emulate named arguments, and a hundred other more prudent examples. ) umpteen number of naunces between browsers, browser versions, and half-eaten standards. maddening. combined with [some] similar problems with both HTML and CSS, and it's enough to drive one ape-sh*t. soooo.... i use a python abstraction to give me my favorite language and all it's goodies while also shielding me from platform variation, along with widget libraries to support the build-once-deploy-everywhere thinking. yes, JS has some decent libraries, and widget sets (don't say extjs). but pyjamas can be ran as a 100% python desktop app too. so ultimately, compiler tech gives me a 100% cross-desktop cross-platform cross-browser cross-version solution... try it out, it's like finding a nude beach after walking 100km thru a blizzard :-) C Anthony
