sorry in order to speed up gmail I cleared all my mailing list archives so I can't reply to that thread now. http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html youtube talks about what's missing from the <video> tag. I just thought maybe some people on here would be interested. I don't actually wish to continue the argument. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com