Guys, Two things "Wohoo, I'm free! - last home server moved to Arch!" and second, Arch has the same bug in the source of shadow src/groupmod.c that renders groupmod unusable with pam enabled: [15:23 nirvana:/home/david] # groupmod -g1060 david groupmod: Cannot determine your user name. [15:25 nirvana:/home/david] # groupmod -nskyline david groupmod: Cannot determine your user name. The gentoo guys have a patch to fix it: http://bugs.gentoo.org/300790 I apologize if this has already been brought to your attention. Let me know if you want me to open a ticket. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com