It started off with a simple cautious question: evidence, please? So then, the cdrtools guy says..well, he ignores the evidence part and says something else, says it doesn't matter because you must first prove to him that he needs to show you evidence. So then, it's recursive. But then, he only wants us all to kick cdrkit and the Debian guys in their arses, probably because they spoiled it all. When you adopt something, then you disown it, and then someone tells you to adopt it again, you would definitely want to know why. You grow more and more uneasy if the answer isn't coming as simple and simply as it is claimed to be.